Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

I am raising CornishX broilers from Meyers special. They arrived on Oct 12th. I put them on dry 22% game bird feed to start with because that was the closest the feed store had to Broiler feed. I brooded them in a spare bathroom, where I brood Turkey poults, which has a dehumidifier and heater with an adjustable thermostat. I unfortunately got all females, so I know they will take longer to grow out. I usually only do broilers in Early spring and grow them out in a 10x10 pen set up inside the barn, until it is warm enough to let them free range during the day. At that stage, usually 4 to 6 weeks, they are integrated into the flock of juvenile heavy duel purpose chicks I hatch out a couple or three weeks before I get the broilers. That way they all eat together and nobody gets too heavy before their legs develop good! These chicks went to the barn at 2 weeks old, because we were having 80 degree daytime weather and 60's nigh time, and lots of adult birds in the barn to supply body heat. Before moving them to the barn, someone said the 22% protein crumbles, fermented with equal parts of oats, mixed grains(scratch) and cracked corn I planned to feed with a hand full of BOSS every day was too high in protein. It was suggested by a BYC member, who has done broilers on FF before, to reduce the protein crumbles in the FF from 22% to 19%, which I did. They have been in the barn for 2 weeks now Half on ff and half on wet feed and ACV in their drinking water. After 2 weeks, I see no difference in appearance or weight (size) of the 2 groups. They are all approx 1 pound each and have lost their chick fuzz but not feathering enough to cover their bare bodies, much less their huge rumps. They are messy with the wet feed, but I have good circulation in the barn and never much of an odor problem with any of the birds. I see other people's pictures of huge, well feathered broilers on BYC and am wondering what I am doing wrong? I have gone through a lot of ACV and a good fermentation. My turkeys have even learned how to open one of the buckets, to help themselves. They love it (and anything else eatable LOL).
I was thinking of eliminating the corn, using a straight 18% protein feed ( cost wise much cheaper and give them equal amounts of oats, since oats are 11.5% protein. Ferment this combination as I want meat, not fat, but these guys aren't getting large, for boilers and definitely not very meaty. What do you think? Am I due for a growth spurt at say 5 weeks, or am I feeding them wrong ratio or what? Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
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I thought mine were growing slow on the FF too and I didn't even feed as high a protein as you are but they did grow and I had wanted it to be slower, so I wasn't concerned. They really started filling out and getting heavy at about 10 wks and after, so they will catch up. Some of the broiler strains they have out now are much slower in development than those just a few years back and the ones that I had certainly were. What you are feeding seems to be just fine...I'd just give it time and you will see them filling out. I don't think the 22% was a bad amount of protein if it was cut with the whole grains and such, but they should do well on the 19% also.

Could you post some pics and state their ages?
 
I am raising CornishX broilers from Meyers special. They arrived on Oct 12th. I put them on dry 22% game bird feed to start with because that was the closest the feed store had to Broiler feed. I brooded them in a spare bathroom, where I brood Turkey poults, which has a dehumidifier and heater with an adjustable thermostat. I unfortunately got all females, so I know they will take longer to grow out. I usually only do broilers in Early spring and grow them out in a 10x10 pen set up inside the barn, until it is warm enough to let them free range during the day. At that stage, usually 4 to 6 weeks, they are integrated into the flock of juvenile heavy duel purpose chicks I hatch out a couple or three weeks before I get the broilers. That way they all eat together and nobody gets too heavy before their legs develop good! These chicks went to the barn at 2 weeks old, because we were having 80 degree daytime weather and 60's nigh time, and lots of adult birds in the barn to supply body heat. Before moving them to the barn, someone said the 22% protein crumbles, fermented with equal parts of oats, mixed grains(scratch) and cracked corn I planned to feed with a hand full of BOSS every day was too high in protein. It was suggested by a BYC member, who has done broilers on FF before, to reduce the protein crumbles in the FF from 22% to 19%, which I did. They have been in the barn for 2 weeks now Half on ff and half on wet feed and ACV in their drinking water. After 2 weeks, I see no difference in appearance or weight (size) of the 2 groups. They are all approx 1 pound each and have lost their chick fuzz but not feathering enough to cover their bare bodies, much less their huge rumps. They are messy with the wet feed, but I have good circulation in the barn and never much of an odor problem with any of the birds. I see other people's pictures of huge, well feathered broilers on BYC and am wondering what I am doing wrong? I have gone through a lot of ACV and a good fermentation. My turkeys have even learned how to open one of the buckets, to help themselves. They love it (and anything else eatable LOL).
I was thinking of eliminating the corn, using a straight 18% protein feed ( cost wise much cheaper and give them equal amounts of oats, since oats are 11.5% protein. Ferment this combination as I want meat, not fat, but these guys aren't getting large, for boilers and definitely not very meaty. What do you think? Am I due for a growth spurt at say 5 weeks, or am I feeding them wrong ratio or what? Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
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celie,
i am going through the same thing . i use about a 18.5 % . i think it is this new strain. i raised the cornish x this summer. they were much bigger and weighed more at 16%. ration. i can tell you the 20-22% feed is a waste and creates wet loose droppings. i tried it with this batch for a 10 day trial to see if this would help. it did not. these birds just grow slow. i am at 12 weeks and they are just now putting on weight. .the birds will tell you when they are ready for slaughter. first they eat you out of house and home and then get lazy like not want to move much.
at first they will do the eating thing. then about 2 weeks later they get very slow. when they get slow butcher them. no more real gain will be had from them by waiting.. i have done it. i held cx's over 14 extra days and got no real weight gain. i would expect a 14- 15 week run with these slow growers and get a dressed weight of 6-8 lbs.
 
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I have never had that issue with cornish x's. They never stopped growing unless I put them on just pasture. I just butchered out two last week and they both were over 14lbs. Of course they were 4 year old hens, but they never seemed to stop growing. They are great mothers. I have a few of their offspring left and I am considering keeping them. I have never kept offspring other than for food, however they were both good egg layers, forgers and mothers. I might keep a few..just to see. I have keep one young cockerel, the DH insisted, thought he looked beautiful. .I have two young chicks from them that I hope are hens. I am terrible at sexing chicks lately.
 
I thought mine were growing slow on the FF too and I didn't even feed as high a protein as you are but they did grow and I had wanted it to be slower, so I wasn't concerned. They really started filling out and getting heavy at about 10 wks and after, so they will catch up. Some of the broiler strains they have out now are much slower in development than those just a few years back and the ones that I had certainly were. What you are feeding seems to be just fine...I'd just give it time and you will see them filling out. I don't think the 22% was a bad amount of protein if it was cut with the whole grains and such, but they should do well on the 19% also.

Could you post some pics and state their ages?
When did yours get their feathering to cover their bald little bodies? They look like they would be cold , but they are running around like little road runners, very lively, but do huddle in groups at night.
 
celie,
i am going through the same thing . i use about a 18.5 % . i think it is this new strain. i raised the cornish x this summer. they were much bigger and weighed more at 16%. ration. i can tell you the 20-22% feed is a waste and creates wet loose droppings. i tried it with this batch for a 10 day trial to see if this would help. it did not. these birds just grow slow. i am at 12 weeks and they are just now putting on weight. .the birds will tell you when they are ready for slaughter. first they eat you out of house and home and then get lazy like not want to move much.
at first they will do the eating thing. then about 2 weeks later they get very slow. when they get slow butcher them. no more real gain will be had from them by waiting.. i have done it. i held cx's over 14 extra days and got no real weight gain. i would expect a 14- 15 week run with these slow growers and get a dressed weight of 6-8 lbs.
Mine are just at 4 weeks so I guess they have about 10 weeks to go then. I'll be looking at early to mid January. I hope they get some feathers soon to cover their necked little butts so they don't freeze. LOL They really look bald!
 
I have twenty four (24) 4 1/2 week Cornish X cockerels that I am raising in an unheated greenhouse without heat lamps. I was feeding them a fermented mixture of day old bagels/bread, etc and 24% protein chick starter figuring the protein would be somewhere between the 10% bagels and 24% chick starter. However, I weighed them at 4 weeks and they are underweight per Welp's aggressive guidelines. They averaged 1lb 9 oz at 28 days. We began feeding them earlier in the morning. I tried feeding them straight, wet (unfermented) chicken feed and their poops became explosive and watery overnight. I'm done with that! Back to fermenting, even if they grow slower. They look good for meaties even if they aren't plumping up incredibly fast.

Tonight, I added 2 heat lamps hoping that the added warmth and light would encourage them to eat and not waste energy keeping warm. Let's hope that does the trick!
 
When did yours get their feathering to cover their bald little bodies? They look like they would be cold , but they are running around like little road runners, very lively, but do huddle in groups at night.

These were mine at 4 wks on FF and free range all day.


And compared with a DP bird at the same age of 4 wks.

 
Mine are just at 4 weeks so I guess they have about 10 weeks to go then. I'll be looking at early to mid January. I hope they get some feathers soon to cover their necked little butts so they don't freeze. LOL They really look bald!
just play it by ear. that is all you can do. mine right now are at that i going to eat everything stage. i am guessing 2 more weeks. i will let you know.
 
I found out I was developing a mold problem in one of my FF buckets so I wanted to share this with others to hopefully help someone in the future.

My drainage holes were starting to turn black and my bottom bucket had very little "juice" in it for 4 days time. My ferment is about 3 parts crumbles and 1 part scratch.


There should have been about 2 inches of backslop in this bucket.


Theory of what happened: The drainage holes are obviously too small, which allowed the outside of the FF bucket to be surrounded by air that was trapped by the bottom bucket instead of being completely immersed in backslop and FF. Sitting for 4 days in warm stale air promoted bad bacterial growth.

SOLUTION: Drilled larger holes to allow better drainage. Everything should be immersed and no air left trapped between the two buckets.
 
Question and Experiment:

I had about 1/4 of a bag of crumbles that had some mold.


I'm kinda figuring that feeding molded feed is a bad idea, but what if it's fermented?

Someone please stop me if this is a bad idea. I pulled out the large chunks of moldy food, but the rest of it(like what's in the pic above) is currently fermenting. I didn't make any changes to anything I normally do. Added crumbles and scratch, backslopped, topped off with water.

So, the experiment is, will the ACV win the battle or will the mold?

Question, if the ACV wins, and the entire bucket is properly fermented, is there any reason I can't go ahead and feed this? No matter the answer, I want to finish the experiment just to see what happens.

Thanks,
 

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