Fermenting Feed for Meat Birds

[BCMaraniac]

There are a lot of ways to become malnourished...parasites(in or out), organ failure caused by too much protein, calcium, phosphorus, fat, etc...which I know sounds contradictory, but the body can only take so much before certain organs that deal with metabolism start to fail due to an excess of this or that component that cannot be filtered out of the body, other illnesses that prevent nutritional uptake such as coccidiosis or any other illness that causes an inflammatory process in the intestines.

It's not enough to simply give chickens a lot of food and a lot of supplements. Balance is everything...always...a good balance is need for homeostasis.

There you go again, Bee.....using those 50 cent words again.......

.....homeostasis....next thing you know you will be explaining osmosis......

 

[Beekissed]

I've been accused of that a lot in my life. I just call that "English".....I know, I know...that's a rare thing in the boonies.

What I see on this forum are a lot of people trying to pile on a ton of high nutrient~mostly high proteins~feeds into one feed mix, thinking that is going to take care of all the flock's problems. If you don't think that's a correct observation, just read any response to someone complaining of egg eating, decreased laying, thin egg shells, feather picking and molting. Nearly every single response to these issues is advice to adjust feed levels of proteins and calcium upwards. That's it. That's the solution to every single problem on this forum...increase proteins and calcium. If only life were that simple and every health, environmental or behavioral issue would be resolved by drinking a glass of milk.

Makes me wanna bang someone's head against the wall until there is evidence of grey matter coming out of some orifice...just want to see proof of it being in there. That's all...just some indication that something hasn't stolen the essential component to their thought processes.

 

[BCMaraniac]

I've been accused of that a lot in my life. I just call that "English".....I know, I know...that's a rare thing in the boonies.

What I see on this forum are a lot of people trying to pile on a ton of high nutrient~mostly high proteins~feeds into one feed mix, thinking that is going to take care of all the flock's problems. If you don't think that's a correct observation, just read any response to someone complaining of egg eating, decreased laying, thin egg shells, feather picking and molting. Nearly every single response to these issues is advice to adjust feed levels of proteins and calcium upwards. That's it. That's the solution to every single problem on this forum...increase proteins and calcium. If only life were that simple and every health or behavioral issue would be resolved by drinking a glass of milk.

Makes me wanna bang someone's head against the wall until there is evidence of grey matter coming out of some orifice...just want to see proof of it being in there. That's all...just some indication that something hasn't stolen the essential component to their thought processes.

Yeah, when I was in college and came home, my family teased me because they said I talked differently, which probably was from being around people from different parts of the country who had different accents.

About that head banging......they would probably send you to jail for that.....

Remember that hen I told you started laying 2 weeks after her chicks hatched? Before that I was feeding her and the baby the starter/grower crumbles. When she started laying, I was concerned about giving her layer mash because I didn't want to give the chicks too much calcium, and I was afraid they would eat oyster shell.....so I did nothing.....and was waiting for her egg shells to get soft, but they stayed very hard, so I guess she was getting enough calcium. Of course she went back on the layer mash when I took her two boys away from her when they were 8 weeks old so I could caponize them. I guess no harm, no fowl....lol

 

[Triple Willow]

  I've been accused of that a lot in my life.  I just call that "English".....I know, I know...that's a rare thing in the boonies. 

What I see on this forum are a lot of people trying to pile on a ton of high nutrient~mostly high proteins~feeds into one feed mix, thinking that is going to take care of all the flock's problems.  If you don't think that's a correct observation, just read any response to someone complaining of egg eating, decreased laying, thin egg shells, feather picking and molting.  Nearly every single response to these issues is advice to adjust feed levels of proteins and calcium upwards.  That's it.  That's the solution to every single problem on this forum...increase proteins and calcium.  If only life were that simple and every health, environmental or behavioral issue would be resolved by drinking a glass of milk.    

Makes me wanna bang someone's head against the wall until there is evidence of grey matter coming out of some orifice...just want to see proof of it being in there.  That's all...just some indication that something hasn't stolen the essential component to their thought processes. 

Here now! LOL You can't get blood from a turnip nor grey matter to ooze from some's ears no matter what. haha

I have seen a lot of those "just add more protein" solutions too. Some act like protein is Vitamin C or something! lol

 

[Beekissed]

No, no harm, no fowl. Layer feed doesn't keep the shells hard, nor is chick starter the only way to start a chick.

 

[Triple Willow]

Here you people go with that punny stuff again! You quack me up! hehe

 

[BCMaraniac]

Here you people go with that punny stuff again! You quack me up! hehe

We aim to please.....

 

[BCMaraniac]

No, no harm, no fowl. Layer feed doesn't keep the shells hard, nor is chick starter the only way to start a chick.

I figured watchful waiting, as we always called it, was better than wrecking little chick kidneys.....

 

[Triple Willow]

Yeah, when I was in college and came home, my family teased me because they said I talked differently, which probably was from being around people from different parts of the country who had different accents.

About that head banging......they would probably send you to jail for that.....:/

Remember that  hen I told you started laying 2 weeks after her chicks hatched?  Before that I was feeding her and the baby the starter/grower crumbles.  When she started laying, I was concerned about giving her layer mash because I didn't want to give the chicks too much calcium, and I was afraid they would eat oyster shell.....so I did nothing.....and was waiting for her egg shells to get soft, but they stayed very hard, so I guess she was getting enough calcium.  Of course she went back on the layer mash when I took her two boys away from her when they were 8 weeks old so I could caponize them.  I guess no harm, no fowl....lol

Laying with 2 week old chicks sounds pretty amazing. Mine has started laying again but that was with 6 week old chicks. Clone that girl! lol

 

[Beekissed]

I figured watchful waiting, as we always called it, was better than wrecking little chick kidneys.....

I've fed many a chick on layer ration without a single ruined kidney. Many a baby animal is fed on mother's milk without a single wrecked kidney. I'd not worry too much about that prospect.