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Unless you have your entire flock tested, and cleared, you can not say your flock is MG free. Just the bio security measures alone that one has to follow with a healthy flock is demanding, and just as important for the breeder, commercial hatchery, and for the backyard pet flock. And what about the shows? Think of all the disease your flock could be exposed to there, other birds, people attending the show, and your birds will already be stressed from traveling to the show.
Breeders who show their birds, command much higher prices for their eggs, chicks and started pairs, and rightfully so. They invest a great deal of time, effort, and money into their flock. There are no easy answers here. Do you require everyone who keeps birds of any type, any quanity, to be tested for any contagious disease which there is no control or cure for, that can wipe out an entire flock? Then what, have all those birds in that flock destroyed?

That is why I don't go to shows, don't show my birds, make everyone disinfect when they come here, don't acquire started birds, etc, etc. It's really not all that hard to do all you can do. When I went to someone else's house for the weekend recently, I bought brand new shoes to wear and didn't even put them on until I was at her place, washed all my clothes prior to going and the moment I came back.

I don't require anything of anybody except when they come onto my property. What they do with their flock, what they'll put up with on a daily basis, is up to them. I am doing what I can to protect my flock from carrier diseases and I refuse to let down my guard or change my strategy that seems to be working so far. If it stops working, I'll do something different.

You cannot compare human disease with avian disease, because they are not the same. Humans get colds all the time and don't remain carriers. Chickens don't get head colds and recover; they get diseases that make them Typhoid Marys in the flock. Those are similar to herpes type viruses. You try to avoid exposing them to those germs, but the main thing you want to do is develop strong immune systems in your flock by proper management. The ones that become sick have weak immune systems. Those are the ones you cull, even if they seem to have recovered. The others may have been exposed to the same germ, but if they did not become ill, it may be just that their immune systems were stronger. Keep the ones that never became ill and you have the ones with stronger immune systems. If you keep ones that became ill, even if they got over their symptoms, they are the weak links in the flock, not the strong ones. But, you don't continually play Russian Roulette by throwing germs at them, testing them constantly, because eventually, they'll meet a germ their immune system may let in, so that's where biosecurity comes into play. I think some are making this harder than it needs to be.
 
I've been using a spray bottle, but I just found a small fogmaster junior for less than $100 that I am going to buy and start using my oxine in. I'm hoping it will be much easier and definitely a finer mist.

Oxine kills several avian viruses, and I would recommend that everyone use it to either mist over their birds with a fine mister or with a fogger. It's really easy to mist over them as they come in for the night. I don't recommend misting them in super cold weather, unless they have heat lamps in their coops.

I do everything that I can think of to keep my flocks healthy, and think biosecurity is essential, but as said before, we can only do what we can do and hope for the best.
 
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Traci-
Outside of the practices the commercial poultry industry uses to combat MG there is very little that the backyard grower can do to eliminate it. And non industrial poultry has survived for quite a few centuries with it.

Quit beating yourself up over this. Cull the birds that have chronic outward syymptoms, avoid stressing the flock, and medicate when the need arrises. Everyone else in non industrial production has MG.

I run in both the industrial poultry and backyard/exhibition poultry crowds. The industry for the most part eliminates and maintains the flock MG free. In the backyard all you can do is live with MG and enjoy your birds.
 
Where do you get oxine at?

I have been following this as it is very interesting post.

My first year at raising chickens is turning into eye openers. Not all good either.
One of my favorite hens is sick, no vets around me will treat chickens, and it is cold like symptoms.
It seems to mainly be affecting my hatchery wyandottes. I have been researching and am coming to the grim conclusion that I need to put the sick ones down. (Dottie was culled as she was real bad. So far Saphire has the worst, Alice is getting it, and Lester.)

Contacted the local ag department in my county and was told that due to heat along with high amonia the birds can get sick with upper respitory issues. He said it would have to run its course but was nothing to be concerned over. Well, my coop is cleaned daily and is very open air type. So no way on high amonia. The dottes have been panting more than the others from the heat, but I honestly don't think that would cause the congestion, sneezing, coughing, and she makes a sound like she is trying to crow but it is more like she is having hard time breathing.

The only exposure I can think of is the Tradin Day that I went to out of curiosity as I have never been to one. There were some nice booths and then there was the ones that had questionable stock. The only other thing I can think of is that my neighbors free range birds have come in our yard and can be seen wandering up and down the road.

I let mine only free range in the back yard area when we are home to watch out for them.

None of my other birds are getting sick. I have been using VetRX for poultry, Polyvisol, and ACV. The Deneguard just came in.
I do not want anymore to get sick and am trying to help them boost their immune systems. I honestly do not see improvement in Saphire.

Once the sick ones are removed and the coop disinfected will I still be able to use the healthy ones for breeding that show immunity? I am interested in breeding for hardiness in my flock so this topic is important to me.

Also I have placed an order with a breeder in the spring for nice quality chicks that I do not want to expose or get sick.
 
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Hey! Then I'm doing this the right way, right? I culled Pac. The dead chicks are already culled by mother nature. The hens I'm keeping never got sick, I just happen to know, thanks to obsessively testing the whole flock, that they've been exposed to MG. If they get sick, then I'll put them down too.
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Here's hoping they won't.

Traci
 
Hey! Then I'm doing this the right way, right? I culled Pac. The dead chicks are already culled by mother nature. The hens I'm keeping never got sick, I just happen to know, thanks to obsessively testing the whole flock, that they've been exposed to MG. If they get sick, then I'll put them down too.
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Here's hoping they won't.

Traci

If a bird is stressed and and then shows clinical signs of the disease but quickley overcomes it with appropriate husbandry I would keep. The chronically ill - cull. There is no point in resorting to self mutilation or joining a convent here. It happens in the best of chicken coops.​
 
run in both the industrial poultry and backyard/exhibition poultry crowds. The industry for the most part eliminates and maintains the flock MG free. In the backyard all you can do is live with MG and enjoy your birds.

I find that statement utterly depressing and hopefully, inaccurate. I know of backyard flocks that have been through the quarterly testing for MG and tested clean for years. It's not impossible. If folks think it's impossible, then I don't believe they'll even try to maintain a clean flock. I don't think I could enjoy my birds if I was always having to treat outbreaks of MG symptoms.

Traci, follow your gut. You've got lots of information and test results to work from and sounds like you've formulated a tentative plan to deal with this. I try to give people information so they can make informed decisions for themselves. All the ramifications of each direction you can go should be considered, is all I'm saying. I always get these tearful PMs asking what someone should do in a situation with a sick bird and I can only tell them what they'll encounter if they go one way or the other, but I can't make the final call. What you decide is up to you in the end and I wish you all the best.


You can get Oxine through Revival Animal Health online or through Amazon.com but they dropship through Revival. It's just better if you already have a gift card for Amazon.​
 
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Agreed! I also use Oxine. Need a fogger, though.

I found the Fogmaster Jr. through Amazon, but it's shipping from another company. It's $95.99 w/free shipping. They also have a Black Flag fogger for $69.99 also w/free shipping. I prefer to spend the extra $26 for the Fogmaster though, since we already have the biggest one they make and it's a really good and we have had it for years and it's still works perfectly. I just can't use it because my husband put insect chemicals in it and I can not get that out. The propane foggers are a little cheaper, but I prefer not to use propane around the birds. Not sure if it can escape or not, but not willing to take the chance. A 100' extension cord will work for me.

Speckledhen you might direct me in other directions because I am unsure if what I am doing is okay. I bought the tiki torches and put the citronella in them, to keep the mosquitos away, as they carry diseases and transmit them as well.
 
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Your using very good products, but I don't see that you supply your birds with any vitamins. I use the Ultimate Vitamins from Foy's Pigeons and I think they are an excellent vitamin. I got 6 jars that are 8 oz each and paid Like $27.00. You only use 1/4 tsp per gallon, so it goes a long way.
 

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