Florida welfare drug testing

[rebelcowboysnb]

I have done sports, I have done volunteer work, I have worked for the government... I have been drug tested 1 time in my life. That was to work at walmart. The bad thing is I had to stop my volunteer work to pass that one test. Drug addicts are not the only people that fail drug tests. A large part of my adult life I could not pass one an I didn't even take aspirin.

 

[chickened]

Walmart drug tests? I always thought you had to be on drugs to work there. (attempting to be funny).

Now there is an idea all those that test positive for drugs have to go work at Walmart handing shoppers a cart.
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[ChicksterJo]

I think the problem is with their assumption that people who get welfare are also drug addicts. And not only that but they would have to test more often for people who abuse alcohol..unless they are going to ignore those people

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[chickened]

I do wonder where all the welfare drug addict will move to? I mean which state will be the lucky one? anyone?

 

[Kikiriki]

This has been interesting, but I don't see a resolution between the divided opinions. This is my one experience with welfare: Company went out of business, my friend was a single mom who had two kids that needed healthcare. She was forced to go on welfare to get it, and the only thing she had of value was the car that she would need to get to work when she found a new job. They wanted her to sell it because it was a paid off Honda and had too high of a resale value. She did not want to go onto welfare, but needed to take care of her kids... Many people on welfare got there because jobs would not offer healthcare for kids.

Not all people on welfare are tricking the system. Not all of them are drug users. Is it worth your tax dollars to implement a drug testing program that will do little to change the money handed out? Plus, once caught for drugs, users will have to be prosecuted and sent to jail, have their kids sent into the foster care system which will cost you even more money...


Ask why there isn't more effort put into investigating fraudulent claims. Prohibit offenders from ever collecting govt aid again, and make them repay the money they took, even if they do it slowly. Now that I would get on board with 100 percent...


Night all...a little empathy and kindness goes a long way.

 

[tazcat70]

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Not a bad idea. Or we could just legalize the drugs, tax the heck out of it and get the country out of debt.

 

[ChicksterJo]

Kikiriki, I really like what you have said. That is a level-headed way to go about this. I entirely agree with everything, especially the part about sending those prosecuted to jail. If that person is a non violent offender I see no reason why they should be put in jail - that is more money going into a privatized prison system.

 

[gogoalie]

It's a bad idea...one, invasion of privacy...regardless of the request for temporary assitance, doesn't give ANY gov. a right to probe into the private lives of recipients of said assitance...if you don't wanna read the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, then read John Stuart Mills' "On Liberty"...two, many people who do abuse drugs, know exactly how to mask them for tests...Just look at the WWE...they do steroid tests on their wrestlers, & you KNOW that they're doin' roids...look for masking agent sales to spike in & around Florida, three, someone postulated that the drug using populace that IS doing drugs & receiving welfare will just move to another part of the US. & just because a private corporation requires drug testing doesn't give the right to the US to invade an individuals right to privacy.

Perhaps, we could also stipulate that the State of Florida mandate automatic sterility to recieve welfare.

 

[PineappleMama]

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Yup, those folks (around here anyways) are the ones who can go to places like Mission Arlington and get free food, free clothes, free dental, free toys, free furniture... etc. They can go to Catholic Charities for help paying their rent and/or utilities until Section 8 approves them. They can go to the dozens of churches that have everything from free food to free flu shots every year. They don't HAVE to go to the DHHS office... plenty go to all the above dole out sources AND hit up DHHS too... and Section 8... and their relatives... *sigh*

Really sad that because the users sell their stamps they then have to go get food from the food bank... food that could be going to a family who doesn't qualify for federal funds but even so cannot pay their bills and NEEDS food... but there isn't enough to go around ... irritates the crap out of me. If you get stamps you shouldn't be able to take from the other sources too... YOU HAVE FOOD... we pay so you can... argh. But there's no way for those other sources to know whether you get those or not, or for DHHS to know if you're hitting up all the charities every month so people can easily double dip and others (who really are just looking for TEMPORARY aid) just have to do without.

Pfft. ANYWHO... yeah with Boyd and the Supreme Court. If you don't want to be caught on tape stealing cash from the drawer than don't apply for a job at a place where cameras are right there for you to see. You don't want to be called on your drug habit, then don't apply for anything that means a drug test. Your choice to apply... you don't want to be caught in your CRIMES then don't waltz in demanding money.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Basic thoughts on drugs in general.


18th Amendment was ratified on January 16, 1919

Jack Daniels an Jim Bean were replaced by moonshiners.
Moonshine was later replaced by easier to get radiator whiskey an bathtub jinn.

The local pub was replaced by Al Capone an the mob.

Many many died because of it.

In 1933, the state conventions ratified the Twenty-first Amendment, which repealed the 18th Amendment.
Most admit that Prohibition was a failure.

In the 1980s Prohibition was started again with "the war on drugs" an Miss Reagan's "say no to Drugs" campaign.

Pot was replaced by easier to get meth.

Farmers were replaced by drug lords an again the mob.

Many many have died because of it.

june 2nd 2011: "THE WAR ON DRUGS HAS FAILED" say a 19-member commission including former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, Mexico's former President Ernesto Zedillo, Brazil's ex-President Fernando Henrique Cardoso and former Colombian President Cesar Gaviria, as well as the former US Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker and the current Prime Minister of Greece George Papandreou. The panel also features prominent Latin American writers Carlos Fuentes and Mario Vargas Llosa, the EU's former foreign policy chief Javier Solana, and George Schultz, a former US secretary of state.

Yet here we still are, not willing to admit Prohibition is still a failure.