FOOD FOR THOUGHT AND DUMB GUN LAWS

[hemet dennis]

You have some good points, but the same can be said for having less guns out there. It won't stop all of the shootings, but there would be less.

Also, I know that it is not the gun doing the killing, but the crazy, loon, using it. The problem is that I believe crazy, loons are attracted to guns, conspiracy theories, and seem to be antisocial and anti-government.

How would there be less ? If the law said for people to turn their guns in then will the crazy loons turn them in ? Or will it be the law abiding people that turn them in ?

 

[Manic J]

Quote by chickened :

" I am not sure if this is what Mathew means but suppose we did screen gun owners, how exactly do we decide who gets to have one and who doesn't? With no priors and no history of MI it would be difficult. Say we pull the guns from anyone who takes anti-depressants via medical records. Or we pull the guns from anyone with a history of mental illness. And lets not infringe on their liberties while doing so. I would love to hear exactly how this would work. "

Thanks chickened,

Ok, yes I see that could be what he meant (or along those lines). No that would not work, and I would not support that.

 

[Manic J]

How would there be less ? If the law said for people to turn their guns in then will the crazy loons turn them in ? Or will it be the law abiding people that turn them in ?

It would be just the Law abiding people .... Everybody knows this, so he has a very weak argument there, or at the very least it is a slippery slope.

 

[chickened]

If mental illness was a factor in deciding whether to take away a right how many people would not seek treatment? especially the ones that may need it.

 

[hemet dennis]

If mental illness was a factor in deciding whether to take away a right how many people would not seek treatment? especially the ones that may need it.

Mandatory testing. If you pass you go through door number one, If you fail then it's door number 2 for you.

 

[Manic J]

You have some good points, but the same can be said for having less guns out there. It won't stop all of the shootings, but there would be less.

Also, I know that it is not the gun doing the killing, but the crazy, loon, using it. The problem is that I believe crazy, loons are attracted to guns, conspiracy theories, and seem to be antisocial and anti-government.

The problem is not the guns that are out there, but who has them, and the amount...there are just to many in the hands of crazies, and the people who fight for the rights of crazy people to be allowed to carry guns...

Ok so you are saying that if no person on this earth except military and police had a gun less people would be murdered? They would just find different ways. Perhaps even more horrific ways. They may even make home-made guns. You are talking about raging lunatics right?? .... The conspiracy theory spinning, anti-governmental, antisocial, crazy, deranged, loon that you keep referring to is going to get or make a weapon of some sort one way or another.
Do you seriously think that focusing on guns is the fix for your fear of the "crazies"?

 

[TallChickMagnet]

If the NRA is responsible for gun violence then the Auto club is responsible for drunk driving.

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[Q9]

TMC, all joking aside, what forms of restrictions do you suggest?

I think we're all in agreement that no violent felon should have a gun; likewise, I'm fairly sure that nobody thinks that battleships, artillery pieces, and jet fighters are "arms" in any normal sense of the word. Where do we go from here?

 

[mom'sfolly]

Just for Chickened...Columbine had two armed police officers, and Fort Hood had several armed and trained officers. Didn't seem to make much difference. At a high school campus here in Texas, with multiple buildings and 2000+ students, single armed officer would have little chance to identify, find and defeat an well armed shooter. If the shooter drops the guns and moves to another area of campus, would the cop on campus even be able to identify the shooter if he was a student? The Aurora shooting took less than 7 minutes, if my kid's school was on lock down, and the cop had to get to the far side of the campus it would take about that long. My kid's school has over 20 buildings if you include portables, and admin buildings and it has 2600 students. The two SROs there could not prevent a tragedy like the recent one in Conn.

I think expecting to have armed officers at every school at the very best provides only a false sense of security.

 

[mom'sfolly]

Also to address an issue that several people have mentioned about celebrites, the pope and the president having armed security. What world do you live in? Many of these people face daily threats; some serious, some not so serious. They are often very real targets, especially religious and world leaders. Most schools are not daily targets, most banks aren't even daily targets. Again it is not comparing apples to apples but apples to unicorns.