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...even if it can be broken down to at least x amount and not more than y amount of more of the components they considered than other foods can be.
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[not] chosen at random.

I could, perhaps, have talked more about how they weighted their choices so that certain nutrients were more important than others in their calculations - bottlenecks both the favorable and unfavorable, outliers, ect. I don't remember if these researchers do but some other researchers/writiers of this concept have weighted cholesterol particularly heavily because it is considered such a problem in a typical diet

Link to Reply to Food Compass novelty


"...Second, the Food Compass integrates cutting-edge science in selection of attributes,
including the use of nutrient ratios (unsaturated:saturated fat,
fibre:carbohydrate and potassium:sodium) which more accurately
incorporate overall fat, carbohydrate and mineral quality and
the biologic interactions between these components. With these
ratios, the Food Compass is the first major NPS to emphasize the
health benefits of foods relatively higher in unsaturated fats and
the harms of foods relatively higher in refined starches. The omis-
sion of attributes that are prominent in other NPS, in particular
total fat and total energy, is also a key advance that better reflects
modern nutrition science.
Third, the Food Compass scores foods on the basis of 100 kcal,
rather than per 100 g, as in many other NPS including NutriScore
and Health Star Rating. This is critical, as weight-based metrics can
be heavily biased by water content, as well as fibre and fat content.
For example, a recently published NPS concluded that pork fat was
the seventh most nutritious food in the world1. Upon review, these
conclusions are heavily driven by the bias of scoring per weight. For
instance, a 100 g portion of pork fat contains 638 kcal, while a 100 g
portion of apple contains only 52 kcal (due to high water weight).
Comparing the absolute amounts of nutrients provided by the same
weight of these two foods is a highly flawed comparison, given
the nearly 13-fold higher calories contributed by one food versus
another. Yet, many NPS score per 100 g. Food Compass scores per
100 kcal, a much more natural and unbiased unit of consumption...."

Peris, you will like this from the same paper (I do too),
"...the Food Compass uses nine domains, a
feature that provides a more holistic overview of healthfulness,
while also preventing excess influence of any single attribute—
and minimizing the ability of industry to manipulate or ‘game’
the score by adding fortified vitamins and minerals, which can
dominate the scores of other [Nutrient Profiling System]..."

Like all models, it works well for some aspects; not so much for others.
 
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I can copy it all in to a post/private message here on BYC if you want to read it.
Just let me know and I'll do it for you.
Thankyou :). This is really good of you to offer, we’ve got a local library here though so maybe that’ll be easier with the big screen.
 
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I found something else that might be useful to you @Ital
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I found something else that might be useful to you @Ital
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I had to look twice to spot the line "protein per 100g."

I had been puzzled by the egg and milk listings, because so many things in the US list nutrients for a single egg (about 6 grams protein) or 8 ounces of milk (8 grams protein). Standardizing the portion size gives a very different perspective on how much protein some foods actually have.
 
I had to look twice to spot the line "protein per 100g."

I had been puzzled by the egg and milk listings, because so many things in the US list nutrients for a single egg (about 6 grams protein) or 8 ounces of milk (8 grams protein). Standardizing the portion size gives a very different perspective on how much protein some foods actually have.
Your system is even more puzzling to us, if you get offered a cup of tea here it’ll generally arrive in a mug.
 
Your system is even more puzzling to us, if you get offered a cup of tea here it’ll generally arrive in a mug.
My country's systerm is puzzling to me too. I have learned to work with it (or work around it), but I certainly do appreciate the good points of some other systems!
 
I had to look twice to spot the line "protein per 100g."

I had been puzzled by the egg and milk listings, because so many things in the US list nutrients for a single egg (about 6 grams protein) or 8 ounces of milk (8 grams protein). Standardizing the portion size gives a very different perspective on how much protein some foods actually have.
Standardizing the portion size is essential for proper comparison imo.

Note also the lines at the bottom, about plant proteins being incomplete if eaten individually, while individual animal proteins are complete.
 
Note also the lines at the bottom, about plant proteins being incomplete if eaten individually, while individual animal proteins are complete.
Plenty of plants with complete amino acid profiles..

cannabis seeds, millet, chlorella, quinoa, seaweed, farrow, stinging nettle, buckwheat, edamame, amaranth, chia seeds, spirulina...
Teff has 8 of 9, not bad going for a grain.

Not sure why the above claims edamame and quinoa are incomplete, not the sort of thing you’d expect mixed opinion over. I’ll double check my sources.

Quinoa..
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/food-features/quinoa/
‘Unlike some plant proteins, quinoa is a complete protein, meaning that it contains all nine essential amino acids’

Edamame..
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/280285
‘Complete protein: As with meat and dairy products, it provides all the essential amino acids’
 
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Plenty of plants with complete amino acid profiles..

cannabis seeds, millet, chlorella, quinoa, seaweed, farrow, stinging nettle, buckwheat, edamame, amaranth, chia seeds, spirulina...
Teff has 8 of 9, not bad going for a grain.

Not sure why the above claims edamame and quinoa are incomplete, not the sort of thing you’d expect mixed opinion over. I’ll double check my sources.

Quinoa..
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/food-features/quinoa/
‘Unlike some plant proteins, quinoa is a complete protein, meaning that it contains all nine essential amino acids’

Edamame..
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/280285
‘Complete protein: As with meat and dairy products, it provides all the essential amino acids’
Great point! But I have learned to expect mixed opinion over a lot of things in nutrition. To start at the beginning, the particular variety of something can change the values manifold (hundreds of times better in one variety than another, in extreme cases), then there's the growing conditions, the collection and storage of the sample, the lab processes used etc.

And then of course it's not just presence but in what quantity, and how it reacts with what else you or your chickens may be eating with it, including the trillions of microbes in your gut.

And then there's the politics driven by omnivore/vegan campaigns.

Anyway, here's an alternative for quinoa stressing some of this
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2020.00126/full
 

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