Frontline, do you use it?

[Koviack]

Do you use Frontline?

google Frontline Plus MSDS

(it's a material safety data sheet)

look at the composition data

7-12% Fipronil
7-12 S-Methoprene
10-15% Ethanol

Frontline is fairly expensive.. iirc about $60 for a pack of about 12ml

You can find other Fipronil and S methoprene sources... for example

Termindor SC
http://www.burlstermite.com/Documents/TERMIDOR_SC_09-01_MSDS.pdf <-- for 9.1% Fipronil

Precor IGR
http://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/msds/precorIGR_msds.pdf <- 1.2% S Methoprene

with this "pest control" chemicals about $80 is a 5 year supply for 1 150lb dog

Should/can we use Termidor SC on our animals? I dunno, Just sayin'

let's hear your thoughts

 

[Koviack]

I've been using the largest (89-132) frontline packages and measuring it out with little needless ML syringes for my dogs.. but... My question is why pay the prices for 12 ML of frontline when you can buy 20 ounces of nearly the same strength chemical for the same price? I'm not trying to advertise, there are other companies selling the same chemical as Termidor SC, for example Taurus SC...

if you look at the MSDS for advantage multi it's chemical composition is imidacloprid + moxidectin

I don't know how much you pay for advantage multi but you can buy 21% imidacloprid, here is the MSDS for the product name
It's called Dominion termiticide... Why can't we dilute these chemicals to frontline/advantage strengths using say, olive oil as a diluting agent to apply to our dogs?
http://www.controlsolutionsinc.com/data/products/other/139_MSDS-Dominion 2L 07-24-07.pdf



is there any danger to using these chemicals on our dogs? the MSDS says it's the same chemical..



Heartguard for dogs? it's ivermectin, you can buy ivemectin for horses for about $13 in any feed store designed to treat upwards of 2000 lbs... why buy heartguard?

not even going to bother to list the MSDS for heartguard

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

The question I have is what are the other ingredients that are not listed. Also the MSDS is for firemen/first responder use in case of a spill. Its accuracy is relative to what is required to be reported an how it effects trade secrets. The only thing I expect to be completely accurate is the dangers an evacuation information. An even then I keep an eye on the cop-o-meeter.

 

[AinaWGSD]

One thing that you get with the name brand products, at least if you buy them from your vet, that you won't get with something from the feed store is a guarantee that the product will work and reimbursement for veterinary bills if the product fails. Sure, you can buy ivermectin for a heck of a lot cheaper than heartgard. But on the off chance that the product doesn't work and the dog tests positive for heartworms (or any of the intestinal parasites the package claims to control PLUS whipworms (which it is not labeled for but the company will cover) for that matter) then part or all of the vet bills from treating the dog will be covered by the company that manufactures it. If you use ivermectin from the feed store and your dog still tests positive for heartworms, the cost of treatment is entirely up to you.

Frontline has a similar guarantee if you buy it from your veterinarian; if you have receipts that prove you bought at least three consecutive months worth of the product (either individually or in a multi-dose pack) and you have a flea problem you can call the number on the box. They will ask a series of questions to make sure it was applied properly, and if you are applying it appropriately, every mammal in your house is on a flea preventative, and you are still seeing fleas after 3 consecutive months they will send someone out to investigate. If it is determined that the product is being used accordingly and still not working, they will pay for terminex to come treat your property. Frontline is also better than just the chemicals because of the carrier solution it is in. Just applying fipronil and s-methoprine alone won't be as effective because the chemicals alone lack the carrier. That is/was one of the problems with Pet Armor (sold through walmart). It claims to be just as safe and effective, but it isn't because the carrier had a much higher incidence of reactions and was less effective than the one used in frontline.

 

[naturalfeddogs]

Nope. We use Advantix ll. Frontline dosn't work for us at all. Is it for a dog or cat? If it's a cat you would want to use Advantage.

 

[Koviack]

The question I have is what are the other ingredients that are not listed. Also the MSDS is for firemen/first responder use in case of a spill. Its accuracy is relative to what is required to be reported an how it effects trade secrets. The only thing I expect to be completely accurate is the dangers an evacuation information. An even then I keep an eye on the cop-o-meeter.

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Advantix II has a MSDS that shows it has chemicals withheld for trade secrets, it lists them as an "Amine derivative" instead of the actual chemical


http://www.kellysolutions.com/erene...56-135_K9_Advantix_55_5_4_2004_2_12_30_PM.pdf

So they don't even have to say there's chemicals withheld for trade secrets? or they do as in the case of Advantix II?


which is 5% imidacloprid, 40% "trade secret amine derivative" and 40% permethrin




You all realize you're putting pesticides on your animals right? Fipronil is not "perfectly" safe, in fact i've read that it shrinks the cranium of male puppies, and causes sexual hormone imbalance... the dangers of Fipronil are almost scary enough not to use it... You COULD treat the ground around your house with the same chemicals Terminex or Orkin Man would use instead of topically on your animals

Fipronil Fact Sheet
edit:
http://www.pesticide.org/get-the-facts/pesticide-factsheets/factsheets/fipronil

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

"Amine derivative"

I assume the only reason that is even on there is that it has (special) known health effects, effects fire property's or effects evacuation distances.

 

[Stacykins]

You all realize you're putting pesticides on your animals right? Fipronil is not "perfectly" safe, in fact i've read that it shrinks the cranium of male puppies, and causes sexual hormone imbalance... the dangers of Fipronil are almost scary enough not to use it... You COULD treat the ground around your house with the same chemicals Terminex or Orkin Man would use instead of topically on your animals

Sorry, but treating acres and acres of property with chemicals to kill pests is much more hazardous than applying some frontline to a single animal to keep them off. Because dousing a huge property with chemicals, the brush and hay field, makes so much environmental sense

. I'll take the risks of the frontline chemicals on my dog than the risk of tick borne diseases any day of the week. If I am picking off at least five or six ticks off my clothing after each trip outside, if my dog wasn't protected, then I don't want to imagine how many she'd pick up every walk.

 

[Squawkbox]

Am I the only one that doesn't and has never used anything at all?

 

[AinaWGSD]

I'm sure you're not the only one. But I've seen too many fleas and ticks, and treated my dog for multiple tick-borne diseases, to risk not using any kind of preventative. I've also had fleas show up on my strictly indoor cats who are not typically on any flea preventative because they do not go outside and in theory do not have any exposure. I was lucky in that my dog was asymptomatic for her tick diseases (they were detected on the annual heartworm combination tests), but I do work for a vet and I have seen several dogs that did suffer symptoms for their tick-borne diseases, including aggression towards the owners due to pain from inflammation in the joints (in fact one was tested for tick borne diseases purely because the owner brought him in for aggressive behavior that was not typical of that dog).