Gallimycin label question - "replacement pullets"?

[kinnip]

Generally speaking, when a substance hangs around for the long term in a body, it's trapped inside of a particular type of tissue and is non-bioavailable. That's why critters who are treated effectively with a medicine can fall prey to the same illness again. While Tylan specifically isn't used in humans it's close relative erythromycin is. Terramycin is just tetracycline. Most of these drugs are safe for human consumption. The rub is in the fear of overmedicating the populace and creating drug resistance, as well as the problems associated with killing off the body's natural flora. Even wormers like Ivermectin are used on humans. Controlling the amount of exposure you have is wise. If you follow the withdrawal times associated with the drug, even if it's only listed for milk or meat, you should be fine. If you have an allergy to a related drug, you may want to wait longer. I certainly wouldn't fear contamination for the lifetime of the bird.

 

[jmc]

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Another question.

As KJ Theodore and others mention, Oxine is not a drug at all (so not an antibiotic, right? i think)

At least it's not a drug, but a surficial disinfectant which, in order to work, must make physical contact with the bad stuff. So I can't understand why Probiotics would need to be used when using Oxine.

I realize that when Oxine literally touches bacteria, it kills them; apparently antibiotics work differently on bacteria than this??? So maybe that's why we might need to use Probiotics.

But I'm surprised that for all her great talk on Oxine and its uses, she mentions nothing about administering Probiotics with its use; yet she goes out of her way to do so when discussing "drug antibiotics".

Edited to say that

hijacker monk thanks kinnip for above!

 

[keljonma]

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In my opinion, if you have customers with health or immune system issues, like I do, it may be better not to treat the birds or tell the customers to purchase someone else's chicken eggs and/or meat, if your birds have been treated with antibiotics or drugs.

I would add that the reason vets and others say "should be" when discussing drug withdrawal periods is because no one really knows. The majority of these drugs are not manufactured for use with poultry, so no real known withdrawal time exists.

We have been blessed with excellent health, but some members of our family haven't. As a result, we do not use drugs, antibiotics or wormers on any of our human or animal members of our family. This is a personal choice everyone has to make for themselves.

 

[scrapmom5]

Ok y'all...I am a little sleep deprived (with five little ones running around) and have not figure out if it is safe or not.

I used Terramycin soluable on my 17 week pullet who is no where near laying. Can we eat her eggs sometime in the future? I was told to wait 30 days (min 2 weeks, I double for cautiousness) and then go ahead and eat the eggs..assuming she will be laying by then.

So what is the verdict...

Is it safe?

or is it unsafe?

 

[Wynette]

Scrapmom, it apparently differs depending on who you ask.

This is why it's such a good idea to educate yourself, ask lots of questions, and then make the decision you're comfortable with when you ready to make the decision.

 

[mypicklebird]

FYI Peter Brown aka chicken doc has a degree in poultry science, but is not a DVM. He is the owner of First State Veterinary Supply (which is the online store linked to featherfanciers.com). He knows a huge amount about poultry and it is nice that he shares his information, but his bread and butter job is to run a company that sells animal care products (OTC antibiotics, dewormers ect).

If anyone recommends using an antibiotic for a laying hen or hen that will be used for laying later (and sells it too!) they really should be also telling the person to read the complete label before using and telling them the product they are selling is actually not FDA approved for that use.

As I have said before on this general topic- no one is going to come after the person giving off label drugs to their back yard birds for their own personal egg or meat consumption, but if you share or sell eggs/meat to others- this may not be safe nor is it ethical. Most people go to great lengths to avoid drug residues in their food, and would be ticked off to find out later they might have eaten antibiotic residues (or ivermectin, pyrantel ect)
jess




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[miss_jayne]

just a note....a Replacement Pullet is a pullet you raise til maturity or near for someone else to buy, not one you are going to replace. same for cattle, swine etc.

so, they are letting you know that there would be meds in the birds others were buying.

hope that clears that question up!

 

[jmc]

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Thank you, Miss, for helping me and others with this correction

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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THIS IS NOT COMPLETELY TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just reviewed the 2008 Feed Additive Compendium which is the BIBLE of regulations for every approved medicated feed additive in the USA and found the following medications were in fact APPROVED for use in laying hens producing eggs intended for human consumption.

Bacitracin Methylene Disalicylate at 4 to 50 g/ton and 10 to 25 g/ton.

Bacitracin Zinc at 4 to 50 g/ton and 10 to 25 g/ton.

Erythromycin at 92.5 g/ton.

Tylosin at 4 to 50 g/ton and 20 to 50 g/ton.


Jim

 

[miss_jayne]

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Thank you, Miss, for helping me and others with this correction

it was my extreme pleasure! ha ha. being a city slicker gone country crazy, it took me forever to figure out these terms. thank God for books, the internet and brown hair dye...they all make me look smarter!