Well, I guess it wasn't meant to be cuz I got a call from Murray saying that the goslings never hatched and that they never shipped me any. This is just ridiculous!!!!!! I confirmed 3 times that they had been shipped, talked to them for over an hour yesterday about them charging me more than they should of (and they said they had been shipped again) and I get a call on my cell today that they were never shipped. I am NEVER going through Murray McMurray again!!!! They overcharge, charge your account before eggs hatch, tell you they hatched fine, tell you they were shipped and when (tuesday night) 3 times, argue with you about their overcharging practices, and then call your cell and leave a vm saying that they never hatched. They only geese they have left are chinese or african or something and they would be more than happy to ship me some of them (for the same price even though these geese cost less than the toulouse). This is beyond ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am just livid right now!!!! I guess I'll go to auctions and see if I can't find a male toulouse or emden at one of them as there is no one around me that breeds them.