Genetically speaking... What are patterned Orpingtons?

[nicalandia]

The best rout to take is to breed Isabel Orps with Black Silver/Gold/Red laced Orps(I prefer Black Laced Red because that will create the most contrast) Take the best F1s and breed them together, hatch many F2s and you will get your Lavender Laced Orps

I would also like to point out that if you must, then using a Self Lavender Orp cross with Laced Orp will work but you would need to hatch a whole lot more than you would with Isabels as only 25% of F2s will be eb/eb and fewer than than will be proper eb/eb, Co/Co, Ml/Ml, Pg/Pg and lav/lav..

 

[ColtHandorf]

@nicalandia thank you for the explanation of unicolor laced versus just unicolor. My phone didn't even show that reply to me.

So perhaps in layman's terms each of you outline your process and each cross until a bird with the correct ground color and lacing is achieved. For example:

1st breeding: Silver-laced x Lavender
- F1: All black birds split to Lavender

2nd breeding: Sibling pairings to produce birds that are lavender and express some lacing?

3rd breeding: breed visually laced and lavender birds back to Silver-laced

4th breeding: breed these siblings again (black split lavender)

5th breeding: breed visually laced and lavender birds back to Silver-laced

And so-on? I'm literally just guessing here. I don't expect either of you to know exactly when I'm going to produce what I'm looking for as I know it's a statistical crap shoot but I'm trying to understand. I'm sorry for being so dense. And if you explain the genetic stuff as you go along I'm doing my best to learn what they mean and follow along so you won't have to break it down so much.

 

[CountryFlock]

@nicalandia

You mentioned breeding Isabel orps to silver laced orps and then breeding the F1s together and then hatching a lot of F2s and then she would get lavender laced orps?

You end up with 10% offspring being phenotypically lavender/Isabel but only 0.2% of all offspring are lavender silver laced with the rest of the lavenders/Isabels being complete mutts with just the lavender gene?

Most of the lavenders that hatch wouldn’t have lacing at all.

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If you were talking about Isabel LACED orps then it’s a whole different story. That’s what I’ve been saying from the beginning. Isabel laced orp with silver laced orp would be the ideal way to go. But the Isabel laced orp breeder I saw was in the U.K. I believe.

 

[nicalandia]

@nicalandia

You mentioned breeding Isabel orps to silver laced orps and then breeding the F1s together and then hatching a lot of F2s and then she would get lavender laced orps?

You end up with 10% offspring being phenotypically lavender/Isabel but only 0.2% of all offspring are lavender silver laced with the rest of the lavenders/Isabels being complete mutts with just the lavender gene?.

Due to Linkage of Ml-Pg the percentage is a whole lot closer than you think.

In this case, I would like to add that using a black gold laced(eb/eb, s+/s+, Co/Co, Ml/Ml, Pg/Pg) cross with Isabel( eb/eb, s+/s+, lav/lav) would be better than the Silver laced as that is one less gene that needs to be taking into account also when taking into an account one must take Ml/Ml, Pg/Pg as one gene(10% cross over recombination) and that will actually improve the chances, so when entering this info on to the calculator for lacing just leave out Pg and input Ml

 

[simonerol]

anybody has a Isabel or crele Orpington rooster shipped to florida? thank you