Genetics for Pieds

[deerman]

also all dark pied from silver pied X silver pied ...will all be dark pied white eyes.

the white from that mating would be white eye also ,just mask with the white.


so a white white eyes and one of these dark pied white eyes pair together would = 100% silver pied

 

[AquaEyes]

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Thanks.

Yeah, it works independent of which parent is which, but I thought that attaching it to "dad" and "mom" in an example might make it easier to absorb.

Do you have pics of the difference between Normal, split to Pied, Dark Pied, and split to White? And what about showing the difference between birds with 1 or 2 copies of the White-Eye gene?

 

[deerman]

Not sure what pics i have...and have sold all my birds except 6

 

[AquaEyes]

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Well, let's say someone brings you a bird but isn't sure if it's split to Pied, split to White, or Dark Pied. What would you look for?

 

[AquaEyes]

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Ah, so if you can't tell apart Dark Pied from split to White by looking, then you'd have to test-breed.

Dark Pied X White = 100% Loud Pied (in other words, PP X WW = 100% PW)


split to White X White = 50% White, 50% split to White (in other words, W- X WW = 50% W- and 50% WW.....this isn't proper genetic abbreviation for this, but I don't want to confuse people even more by doing the whole N^P/n^+ thing)


So if you happen to buy a bird with no genetic history, and can't tell if it's a Dark Pied or split to White, try crossing it with a white and see what you get. Then, to save yourself from future headaches, mark or band it somehow, and keep good records!

 

[AquaEyes]

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I think, from what Deerman is saying, that this is how that happens:

Birds that are split to Pied (just one Pied gene) and birds that are split to White (just one White gene) can vary in the amount of white feathers they have, but it will always be just a few. The problem is that the "just a few" amount can overlap between the two -- and some birds might have only a VERY few white feathers, so as to appear almost normal. Genetically, however, they are still "split to Pied" or "split to White." If a pair birds with VERY few white feathers JUST HAPPENS TO BE made up of one parent that's split to Pied and the other that's split to White (even though they may both look the same), then 25% of their offspring will be "Loud Pied" (one Pied gene, one White gene). The rest will be Normal (25%), or look like the parents (25% split to white, 25% split to Pied).

Here's the equation (again, using easier-to-understand abbreviations...let the "-" mean the "normal" version of the gene):

split to Pied X split to White = 25% Loud Pied, 25% split to Pied, 25% split to White, 25% Normal

P- X W- = 25% PW, 25% P-, 25% W-, 25% --


Deerman....does that make sense from your experience?

 

[AquaEyes]

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[SuperPeacockman]

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Split pied and dark pied are not the same, you cannot tell the difference between an IB and a IB split pied.

 

[zazouse]

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Split pied and dark pied are not the same, you cannot tell the difference between an IB and a IB split pied.

Sorry i don't understand what you are saying in reference to my question.

 

[SuperPeacockman]

If the parents were both split pieds they could make pieds but they would have not white feathers.