German New Hampshire

[fowlman01]

To clarify a few things........there was never any other colored pictures in the SOP before the ones done in 1983 by Jacky. If you think the color on the NH's looks odd, check out page 203 and note the dayglo color of the AM's. There is no way to correctly duplicate the color of chickens....or food for that matter. It is just one of those things. Once you put these illustrations online it also changes the color and none of our monitors will show you correct color unless you calibrate it every day with an expensive Pantone Color Matching program.

I don't like Jacky's illustrations either, so we did a black and white version SOP of Schillings very fine drawings...no one bought them and we ended up selling all of them for $10.00. When I have some time I will try to find some illustrations that are closer to the color. The last Schilling pics posted by cattyfro are the closest to the original NH color that I have seen so far, but are still off........at least they don't look so brown.

Scanning pictures or anything for that matter from the SOP is a copyright violation.

Bottom line is: The SOP clearly states the illustrations are not meant to look exactly like the real birds, but only a tool to get you close. The written Standard is what you should go by when breeding.

Walt

 

[kathyinmo]

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Thank you, Walt.

Are there any of the black and white versions still available?
At this point, I guess it is wise to just disregard the SOP paintings? Anyway, that is what I am gonna do.

It is so dang frustrating.........

I want to know about the black tips on the female's neck, and really...... I see no specifics in the SOP verbiage.

 

[fowlman01]

Thank you, Walt.

Are there any of the black and white versions still available?
At this point, I guess it is wise to just disregard the SOP paintings? Anyway, that is what I am gonna do.

It is so dang frustrating.........

I want to know about the black tips on the female's neck, and really...... I see no specifics in the SOP verbiage.

I think all the B/W SOP's are gone, but you might try ebay or one of the other sites. There are 5000 of them somewhere. When the Standards were first written I think some things were purposely left up to the discretion of judges.....as in the case of the black tips on the females neck.

The current Standard Committee welcomes suggestions to fine tune the SOP. Until someone questions a description, the Committee is not aware of it. I am all for making it so that a judge does not have to guess and I don't want judges to have much discretion while judging.

Walt

 

[joletabey]

Walt, I know I am just repeating myself, but the descriptions in the SOP need a color reference somewhere for people to understand what "medium chestnut red" etc. look like. I think my birds look like medium chestnut red, but supposedly they are too dark. If you can dig up photos, it would help greatly.

What kind of money does it take to commission new art work for the SOP?

 

[Robert Blosl]

I have not been on this thread in a long time but boy have you found some pictures. The black and white standard i have is from the 1960s and my wife as moved it some where and if I could find it I would take some pictures of it and post it.

You mentioned Frank Reese's New Hampshire's and I plan to contact him soon to talk to him out his Black Jersey Giants and then will talk to him about his new Hampshire's. He also has a old old line of Rouen ducks that interests me as he was teaching me some ideas on the rouen color pattern and my work with Gray Calls.

I am going to see if I can get some stock from him in New Hampshire's and Black Giants this year some how.

I think if I was breeding New Hampshire's I would just worry right now on correcting any type or head points issues and be patient and once you learn more about the color pattern work on it. Many of us go crazy trying to fix things such as color and we get so screwed up in color we forget the type and be for you know it you have a mess. Then you do as all beginner do give up and go to another breed or get out of chickens all together.

Listen to what the Great Buff Orpington Breeder told me 25 years ago. He was Ralph Brazleton of Kansas one of Frank Reece's friends.

He said. Go Slow, Go Small , and Go Down the Middle of the road.

That sticks with me today. Slow down think it over and have baby step goals. You all will do just fine.

Glad there is a great interest in this breed. I will let you know if I can get my hands onto some of Franks stock. bob

 

[fowlman01]

Walt, I know I am just repeating myself, but the descriptions in the SOP need a color reference somewhere for people to understand what "medium chestnut red" etc. look like. I think my birds look like medium chestnut red, but supposedly they are too dark. If you can dig up photos, it would help greatly.

What kind of money does it take to commission new art work for the SOP?

There is now a color plate online in the Heritage thread. (1974-1980 APA SOP)


Commissioning an artist is usually around $500+, but you can't replace an illustration that was sponsored by a person who is still living.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

I have not been on this thread in a long time but boy have you found some pictures. The black and white standard i have is from the 1960s and my wife as moved it some where and if I could find it I would take some pictures of it and post it.

You mentioned Frank Reese's New Hampshire's and I plan to contact him soon to talk to him out his Black Jersey Giants and then will talk to him about his new Hampshire's. He also has a old old line of Rouen ducks that interests me as he was teaching me some ideas on the rouen color pattern and my work with Gray Calls.

I am going to see if I can get some stock from him in New Hampshire's and Black Giants this year some how.

I think if I was breeding New Hampshire's I would just worry right now on correcting any type or head points issues and be patient and once you learn more about the color pattern work on it. Many of us go crazy trying to fix things such as color and we get so screwed up in color we forget the type and be for you know it you have a mess. Then you do as all beginner do give up and go to another breed or get out of chickens all together.

Listen to what the Great Buff Orpington Breeder told me 25 years ago. He was Ralph Brazleton of Kansas one of Frank Reece's friends.

He said. Go Slow, Go Small , and Go Down the Middle of the road.

That sticks with me today. Slow down think it over and have baby step goals. You all will do just fine.

Glad there is a great interest in this breed. I will let you know if I can get my hands onto some of Franks stock. bob

Bob,

This is a Brazleton strain Orp in my profile picture. Note that you can see it's legs.

Walt

 

[kathyinmo]

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Bob,

This is a Brazleton strain Orp in my profile picture. Note that you can see it's legs.

Walt

Pictures can be so deceptive. I would have to handle her to know for sure how good she is.

 

[catdaddyfro]

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Pictures can be so deceptive. I would have to handle her to know for sure how good she is.

Mrs. Kathy.... uh-erm you don't forget much either huh? LOL

Jeff

 

[Robert Blosl]

Yes Walt that is the old fashion classic look of a nice feathered see the legs Orpington. If Mr. Brazelton had his girls laying eggs like he said they would there is no way you will have the Cochin feathered style orpington like some think is pretty. When I first saw that thread of those birds I just could not believe my eyes. I never went back to that thread.

In two to three years you will all figure out what color or shade of hue you want on these New Hampshire's.

bob