GMO's and Factory Farming...

[theOEGBman]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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Please do go in to detai. I am quite curious how Turkeys are given Steroids when there are no steroid products approved for use in poultry. I'd also like to know what your definition of 'Junk" is that is given to pigs.

Dont you know, Oprah had a show on it, and we all know anything Oprah says is correct!

It just amazes me that even people who raise broilers at home still believe commercial producers give them steroids and hormones to make them grow larger.

Im so glad Im not the only AG-smart person in this topic because I was feeling a bit overloaded with all of this misinformed bull.​

 

[vfem]

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That show was so full of misinformation and lies it wasn't even funny.

Chris

I hear that alot actually... could you be so kinda as to point out the untruths and misinformation that was in the movie? There was a recent post over on TEG about the exact same thing, and when I asked what the lies were and what was wrongly published they refused to answer me. I just want to read what it is, I have NO doubt some of the info may have been skewed, partially wrong or out of date. It happens.

I would assume if it was all really so untrue that Monsanto would have sued (like they do) and it would be on the web or in the news somewhere.

Personally, I want to read the information. Given everyone has opinions and are more then welcome to share them... Just state its an opinion and not fact. I always see the people against it posting information, links to articles and links to news reports attached to what they believe. So I believe they have reason to be concerned. Its the people who have the opinions for or against that can't seem to find any printed information to prove their stance that bother me. If you just don't feel something is true, state it as an opinion, I'm sure all opinions have validity. I have a lot of opinions myself, and I'm not looking to start a fight or change anyone's mind. I want to back up how I feel, and find information to cover any doubts that I ever have. I am against GMO 100% in the US. I think we're setting a bad example to the rest of the world. I think there isn't enough regulation and its going to end up with a lot of problems in the end because they are pretty much set free to do whatever they so please, and too many companies allowed to develop seed, pesticides and fertilizers are paying for their own research & testing and that makes me uncomfortable. ...that is just my feelings on the subject.

 

[dmiravalle]

What lies exactly was in Food, Inc... Just curious.... I can never seem to get a straight answer with facts backing up the statements, I would love to be able to research both sides of the coin, I am all for supporting both sides of the equation when the facts back it up.

 

[vfem]

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Please do go in to detai. I am quite curious how Turkeys are given Steroids when there are no steroid products approved for use in poultry. I'd also like to know what your definition of 'Junk" is that is given to pigs.

Dont you know, Oprah had a show on it, and we all know anything Oprah says is correct!

It just amazes me that even people who raise broilers at home still believe commercial producers give them steroids and hormones to make them grow larger.

Im so glad Im not the only AG-smart person in this topic because I was feeling a bit overloaded with all of this misinformed bull.

Oh I know that is untrue, they are just genetic monsters. I've watched a broiler grow and its a mildless animal really. Doesn't act like my layers do one bit. They struggle into life, and then fade right before the suffer and die. I've never seen an animal so uncomforatble. This spring we are going to try rangers.

Again, just my opinion.

Here's what my brother says on the subject, I'm sure some of you would get a kick out of his comment... my brother is a meat eating 'man' and he's proud of it. I do love him though!

On an article I posted on facebook about grocery stores starting to carry more humanely treated and killed chickens, turkeys and cows.

"I don't want my FOOD humanely treated. Do you know how good FEAR tastes? Nothing like the provoked heart attacked in a dead animal to tenderize my dinner."

I think he over did it a bit, but in the long run I can see some people don't really care where and how they get their food, long as they eat and it tastes good. To each their own.

 

[PotterWatch]

We (as a family), are local food supporters for many reasons, GMOs being one of them. I no longer eat meat unless I have been to the farm where the animal was grown and seen it for myself or grow it myself. We grow as much produce as we can and patronize local growers for the rest (taking pains to try and find growers who don't use GMO seed or pesticides).

 

[dmiravalle]

One of my favorite cattle people, with an ag major, will say how it is important to give cattle antibiotics for their own protection. I love to point out that we put them in that position. I also love how he states "grain fed" cattle is not profitable to raise anymore.....(duh). My cows cost me the purchase price of that cow or breeding and that is about it other than some hay in the winter. Hmmmmm.

 

[Ohne-Fehler]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

Dont you know, Oprah had a show on it, and we all know anything Oprah says is correct!

Hey now you leave my Oprah alone, she is always right. Haven’t you heard they are adding another prong to the cross just for her. It goes Father, Son, Holy Ghost... Oprah

Ok sorry I just has to toss that one out there... not to take away from the seriousness of this conversation. There really is a lot of misinformation out there about the agricultural world. I can remember being at Grand National Stock Show (SF) with a whole string of dairy cattle and having some guy yelling at me about how I was a horrible person because I gave my cattle rBST. I guess he must have just assumed all cattle are given hormones because as an organic dairy we most certainly don’t treat our cattle with hormones. Plus what inspires someone to yell at a 7th grader? I just wanted to top-line the cows not get berated by some strange man off the street for something I didn’t do. Now of course I find it rather funny, then... not so much!

The National Cattlemens Association now has this program were the give college students an MBA, no not a Masters of Business Administration but a Masters of Beef Advocacy. It’s a direct result of the book Omnivores Dilemma, honestly I feel that it does more harm than good for the beef industry. Every time I read an article with an interview from someone that has done this MBA I left with the feeling that they have not read the book and that they have a tenuous grasp of the English language at best. It seems that in most cases they are individuals that want to farm the same way their great grand parents did, sorry but the world has changed and agriculture has progressed. The issues of today are not the issues of 100 years ago. Once I return to my families dairy, I will eventually, I will be the fifth generation in the US and I can tell you that I will run the farm very differently than my grandfather… heck it will be different than my mother and father. Each generation has brought something new to the farm. You have to progress or you get left behind.​

 

[Chris09]

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In or around the beginning, when they where going to the commercial poultry farms they stated that the Black material that was on the sides of the poultry barns was to keep people from seeing inside the barns.
That is untrue the material that is on the sides of the poultry barns is a "Black Out Netting" that allows for ventilation but blocks out up to 99% of all outside light.
By blocking out the out side light they can control the amount of feed that the birds inside eat by using a X amount of hours on X amount of lights off system. By controlling the amount of food a bird eats will regulate how fast or slow a bird grows.

One other is when they said the commercial poultry farms don't want people around there barns because they don't people seeing the conditions of the birds and there housing.
The reason the commercial poultry farms don't want people around there barns is bio-security.

Now I know that this is only two examples but I don't have the time or the will too sit down and re-watch that crock of lies show.

Chris

 

[Organics North]

Ohne-Fehler,
Nice post.! You really articulated your self well!... Yes I have to disagree with myself too....(On the Rat thing)

Just a way to make a point, I get so sick of the typical "we have to feed the world" line straight out of the Monsanto policy book...

The latest National Geographic has an very good article on population growth and where it will level out and that it is sustainable. Very well written article.
Anyway.. Thanks for calling me on the rat comment..

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Chris09,
I do my best to not patronize monsanto.. Maybe LED's but that is it from the list (I think)
THIS is why I want labeling. The lack of labeling on GMO's and the rGBST is absolutely disgusting. A producer that does not use rGBST can not label their milk as such??????

We are cornered by their near monopoly.. Way to big for comfort. They should be taken down and broken up.. IMO large near monopolies are not good for the citizens of a country nor for national security.. So know China comes along and buys Monsanto.. Walla, they own OUR food supply.....

Take of your rose colored Monsanto glasses for a minuet and look around...

All you pro GMO folks start here:
http://www.saynotogmos.org/

Here is one way to do it:
http://www.motherearthnews.com/nature-community/slow-money-ze0z10zhir.aspx
ON

 

[dmiravalle]

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Dont you know, Oprah had a show on it, and we all know anything Oprah says is correct!

It just amazes me that even people who raise broilers at home still believe commercial producers give them steroids and hormones to make them grow larger.

Im so glad Im not the only AG-smart person in this topic because I was feeling a bit overloaded with all of this misinformed bull.

Oh I know that is untrue, they are just genetic monsters. I've watched a broiler grow and its a mildless animal really. Doesn't act like my layers do one bit. They struggle into life, and then fade right before the suffer and die. I've never seen an animal so uncomforatble. This spring we are going to try rangers.

Again, just my opinion.

Here's what my brother says on the subject, I'm sure some of you would get a kick out of his comment... my brother is a meat eating 'man' and he's proud of it. I do love him though!

The funny part is, is that animals that are fearful before slaughter actually release a hormone that can toughen the meat and make it not as palatable.

On an article I posted on facebook about grocery stores starting to carry more humanely treated and killed chickens, turkeys and cows.

"I don't want my FOOD humanely treated. Do you know how good FEAR tastes? Nothing like the provoked heart attacked in a dead animal to tenderize my dinner."

I think he over did it a bit, but in the long run I can see some people don't really care where and how they get their food, long as they eat and it tastes good. To each their own.