GMO's and Factory Farming...

[Katy]

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I think if you would watch the videos - REAL videos captured in REAL facilities, you might see who exactly is misinformed here. I love bacon too, but that doesn't change where it comes from. Kill techniques are not adaquate and a large percentage of animals are NOT dead when the process begins.

I'm a child, yet I know that ndemerly is right. Flinging insults does nothing for your side of the "argument".

Usually, no two situations are the same. But there is a disturbing trend.

I agree with OEGBman that you are very ignorant of agriculture as a whole. I wish I had a nickel for every insult that has been slung at the American farmer on this forum.

If you are basing your papers and what you believe on what certain groups put out on film as fact you are the one who is very misinformed. Is everything 100% right in agriculture today? No it is not, but those film show the worst of the worst and do not give a good overall view of agriculture as a whole. They feed the ideas of people who have for the most part no connection to agriculture and what it really involves for those of us who live it every day.

 

[sourland]

Thank you, Katy!

 

[theOEGBman]

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I think if you would watch the videos - REAL videos captured in REAL facilities, you might see who exactly is misinformed here. I love bacon too, but that doesn't change where it comes from. Kill techniques are not adaquate and a large percentage of animals are NOT dead when the process begins.

I'm a child, yet I know that ndemerly is right. Flinging insults does nothing for your side of the "argument".

Usually, no two situations are the same. But there is a disturbing trend.

I agree with OEGBman that you are very ignorant of agriculture as a whole. I wish I had a nickel for every insult that has been slung at the American farmer on this forum.

If you are basing your papers and what you believe on what certain groups put out on film as fact you are the one who is very misinformed. Is everything 100% right in agriculture today? No it is not, but those film show the worst of the worst and do not give a good overall view of agriculture as a whole. They feed the ideas of people who have for the most part no connection to agriculture and what it really involves for those of us who live it every day.

 

[HLAC]

I live in the middle of corn and soybean country.

The grain elevator dumps the left-overs from the bottom of the grain bins on my land and the neighboring land. It's mostly rotten grain and weed seeds. So I get to fight a lot of weeds... and I have yet to run across a weed that can't be killed. (I did tell them to stop with the spreading of the waste on my property)

I'm no fan of the huge power and influence that Monsanto has, but I don't think the company is 'evil' and I think that some of the GMO plants are better for the environment in some ways. The heavy duty herbicides and pesticides are used far less frequently in the GMO crops.

I try to grow my crops as close to 'natural' as possible but I have to use some herbicides and pesticides if I hope to have some harvest. In the end, my non-gmo corn required far more chemical attention than the neighboring GMO corn crop which recieved no spraying at all. (corn rootworms and earworms absolutely whipped me)

 

[ndemerly]

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I think if you would watch the videos - REAL videos captured in REAL facilities, you might see who exactly is misinformed here. I love bacon too, but that doesn't change where it comes from. Kill techniques are not adaquate and a large percentage of animals are NOT dead when the process begins.

I'm a child, yet I know that ndemerly is right. Flinging insults does nothing for your side of the "argument".

Usually, no two situations are the same. But there is a disturbing trend.

I agree with OEGBman that you are very ignorant of agriculture as a whole. I wish I had a nickel for every insult that has been slung at the American farmer on this forum.

If you are basing your papers and what you believe on what certain groups put out on film as fact you are the one who is very misinformed. Is everything 100% right in agriculture today? No it is not, but those film show the worst of the worst and do not give a good overall view of agriculture as a whole. They feed the ideas of people who have for the most part no connection to agriculture and what it really involves for those of us who live it every day.

Just curious, who insulted the American Farmer?

Over the years I've noticed that members of families who farm take offense to the slightest notion of 'disrespect.' No body is doing that here.
If you had a nickle for everytime you'd seen that on this thread you would have a total of zero cents.

 

[dmiravalle]

I have the greatest respect for ALL farmers! It is hard work, extremely risky, little profit and everyone seems to forget A NECESSARY ITEM! I think it is BS that we import foods when this great nation has ALL the resources it needs to support ourselves. EVERYONE FORGETS THAT FACT!

Ranching and Farming is HARD work.

Sorry, just a quick venting.

 

[redhen]

Actually BOTH sides have valid points....
Hence the disputes...

 

[dmiravalle]

OK, one more quick vent, I teach ag classes to youth groups, I can't tell HOW many times I hear from kids that they REALLY believe the meat, eggs, milk, etc. does not come from animals if it is sold in a grocery store.

I even had a kid tell me his mom sent him because they were vegans and she thought by attending my MILKING class her son would learn how horrible it is to mistreat animals. We have dual purpose cattle, our milking cow is our pet and my baby!! The kids mom picked him up and he was laughing saying how cool it was that the cow actually licks the kids when she is being milked. I got the last laugh....

 

[Organics North]

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Thanks for this post!
Do you use organic practices and if so for how long?... In my very very humble opinon if one ounce of chem's are used the natural balance of "gods" design is disrupted.
It is either a all or nothing proposition, in order to make chem free/non gmo work it has to be all the way and it take years to recover the soil to a natural healthy state.
It is like a marriage, one can not "partially cheat on the partner". It just does not work that way..

I do agree if "conventional" methods of growing row crops are going to be used GMO's can reduce pesticide and herbicide usage dramatically..




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On another note: It seems to me that possibly this debate is pitting small less than $20K per year Organic/Non-gmo/"local" agriculture against larger row crop farmers... This debate may not be between the "ignorant" city folks and the "feed the world" row crop farmers.
SO I see the argument that this is all "non agriculture folks that watch too much TV argument by the pro GMO folks as invalid..

I must say those documentaries like Food Inc, must be spot on, they sure do seem to get under the skin of some folks...

My experience in life has been the more something bothers those targeted by "it" the more it is the truth....

ON

 

[dmiravalle]

Well, I know for me it is time to get my tushy back out in the cold and deal with the farm. Enough debating for now, my husband is yelling! It has been a lot of fun and a good excuse to get out of the cold.