Gold Laced Orpington- For Learning and Sharing

[delisha]

Deek..is all of your stock from just the two different origins?

 

[thasista]

Absolutely gorgeous birds! I'm going to have to quit looking.

 

[deek]

Delisha, yes, my parent stock is from Greenfire and Heirloom Orpingtons. Aveca, the cinnamon chicks are coming from just one pairing. Out of 11 chicks from that pairing, I have 4 cinnamon. I have chicks due to hatch today. Hopefully some are girls!

Thasista! Welcome!

 

[Jobele]

This is so interesting...Chicken genetics seems more complicated than goat genetics

You ain't never lied!!!! They should have little short courses for people to take that teach JUST CHICKEN GENETICS....LOL On second thought...maybe not...we'd ALL FLUNK.....LOL There are so many factors that play into what a bird comes out looking like.....the core colors, the diluters, the dominants, etc. etc. etc. And just when you think you've got it all figured out.....Mother Nature will throw a mutation in there....just to mess with your mind!

 

[Jobele]

Just looked through this thread, and MY GOD what a beautiful collection of birds you guys have! I don't think there's a single GLO here in Norway so for now I'll just have to admire them through your posts

Welcome! Thanks for the kind words and sorry they aren't in Norway. Maybe soon they will be!

 

[deek]

There's a pullet in my brooder!!! She's been my favorite since day one...and she's a girl! Totally psyched.

Here's Kay at 5 weeks.


This is the other chick that I am madly in love with since day one. No name for now. She acts like a girl, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[thedragonlady]

There's a pullet in my brooder!!! She's been my favorite since day one...and she's a girl! Totally psyched.

Here's Kay at 5 weeks.


This is the other chick that I am madly in love with since day one. No name for now. She acts like a girl, but I'm not holding my breath.

Both cuties ! Look at Kay's lacing already ! Super !

 

[TFChickens]

So I have a question, Ive seen mentioned several times that you can determine either a gold or silver based black bird by looking at the underfluff, what specifically are we looking for? I have several birds that resulted from the blue/blue cross that have a purple sheen to them rather than the usual green sheen and would assume based on comments that these would be a better color choice to breed the spash to for blues, assuming that all other factors are equal but that these birds would not be a good choice for breeding if you are working on the GLOs? or trying to maintain a gold based line of blacks? Im also assuming that it would be possible to get a gold based black bird from the blue cross in the event that the birds that were crossed into the line carried it and that the presence of the green sheen rather than the purple could be used as a way to separate the two? Would I also be correct that the silver carrier bird is the better option to use for outcross to white to avoid the red leakage in the male hackles? Ive been told that the cuckoo base is the way to avoid that, in the event that you have red leakage, but im not sure how the cuckoo gene works.

 

[deek]

Question number 1:So I have a question, Ive seen mentioned several times that you can determine either a gold or silver based black bird by looking at the underfluff, what specifically are we looking for? Question number 2 I have several birds that resulted from the blue/blue cross that have a purple sheen to them rather than the usual green sheen and would assume based on comments that these would be a better color choice to breed the spash to for blues, assuming that all other factors are equal but that these birds would not be a good choice for breeding if you are working on the GLOs? Question number 3 or trying to maintain a gold based line of blacks? Im also assuming that it would be possible to get a gold based black bird from the blue cross in the event that the birds that were crossed into the line carried it and that the presence of the green sheen rather than the purple could be used as a way to separate the two? Question number 4 Would I also be correct that the silver carrier bird is the better option to use for outcross to white to avoid the red leakage in the male hackles? Question number 5?Not sure if this is a question Ive been told that the cuckoo base is the way to avoid that, in the event that you have red leakage, but im not sure how the cuckoo gene works.

Welcome TFChickens! I am not the best one to answer all of your questions since I only work with the Gold Laced Orps and we are all still learning. There are several here that have experience with other breeds and it would be best if they responded to the questions that make reference to breeds that are not GL. Or are you referring to Orpingtons just a different variety? I think you are referring to pigment color and structural color as being the same thing, when they are different. That might be what is confusing.

Question number 1: Specifically you look to see if the underfluff is a true black or a bluish/greyish black. If you had two side by side, it would be easy to see the difference between the two. The GLBlue's is bluish/greyish/black. The GL Black's is really black.

Question number 2: A GL black, from a GL Blue x GL Blk breeding, has black lacing that is bluer and a bluer underfluff. However, the structural color "sheen" and pigment color are two separate entities. I therefore do not think that you could use the sheen as as a way to separate the two, you should use the color of the underfluff (pigment color). I say this because I have a GL Blk that came from a GL Blue x GL Blk breeding and her structural color is green, not purple.

Question number 3: I think is the same as number 2

It would help immensely if you mentioned what type of breed you are referring to when you say blue/blue cross with purple sheen. Do you mean Gl Blue to GL Blue that have a purple sheen?
Then you mention the splash, but that confused me. Not sure where the splash comes into play if you are breeding GL.

Just a side note for further clarification: Remember that there are two types of feather color: structural color and pigment color. The sheen that you are referring to is a structural iridescent color. The way the light reflects off of the barbules will determine the color that you see. A good example is a hummingbird's iridescent (structural) color. The angle of the light source will determine the color that you see because the light is reflected from different areas of the structure. Pigment color refers to the blue or the black that stays blue or black regardless of the way the light is reflected.

Question number 3 and 4: Since this doesn't refer to a GL, I'll need someone else to help answer. My experience is only with the GL

I hope this helped and didn't make the water muddier.

 

[delisha]

Deek..Kay is beautiful