GRAPHIC PICS of my day learning to caponize

[Kassaundra]

I am so sorry to hear about your niece. I will pray that God will touch her and that this is just a false alarm. Waiting is a horrible, especially if you are in the medical field, because your brain always goes horrible places.

I hope you stomach is feeling better, too.


Have the black ones seemed harded to get out? It almost seemed like this one was scarred down and stuck.

I remember you mentioning that the Chinese who caponize only secure one leg, and the bottom(left) one is pulled up against the body. I think I know why. With that leg pulled up against the body, I believe it moves the left testicle out from behind the vena cava, and kinda swings it around where it can be easily accessed. Notice I said, "I think".....that usually gets me in trouble....LOL.

Thank you about my niece. She has already beaten odds in a big way. She was born w/ a heart condition that was going to require open chested surgery to fix, they were letting her get older and stronger and were planning on doing the surgery shortly after her 1st birthday, when she went in for presurgery testing it was found to have self resolved, they never viewed that as a possibility.

My stomach issue is still an issue

Yes, I agree the leg placement is to adjust organ placement for better positioning for teste removal, we both (mentor and I) noticed that last time.

 

[Maggiesdad]

Holding you and your family in our prayers, Kassaundra.

 

[Darkangael]

Best wishes Bee. Blessed be!

 

[Shellz]

Holding you and your family in our prayers, Kassaundra.

X2!

 

[3 NH reds]

I have had several w/ solid black testes, and some w/ black "splotched" testes. I have had several that seem to be attatched along the entire long side and they are HARD to get out.


I did not. I woke today w/ stomach bug, was going to try and power through, but then got some potentially really bad news that kinda knocked wind out of my sails for the day. With the bad news and the spewing I just couldn't bring myself to do it.

My potential bad news is my 3 year old niece may have lymphoma cancer. Nothing is sure right now and it is going to be a grueling couple of weeks until we have all tests done and results back.

We will pray that this is a false alarm for sure. I'm going to watch the Chinese video today. Yesterday my Free Range Rooster was testing out grounds. He was to small to eat so we let him free range and he has put on weight and not being beat up all day he gained courage. He went after our Lab and must have pecked or used spurs, she yelped so now all three big dogs dodge a rooster. He still stays away from us, first attack would be his last.

 

[Poco Pollo]

I sent PMs to the folks who ordered tools. I'll wrap everything up and ship tomorrow after I get home from work. I'll send tracking numbers as soon as I have them.

 

[naillikwj82]

Controlled Clinical test results-
People quite often exaggerate the claim of capons growing much larger than intact cockerals by pounds. In fact though, that is truly a fish story of a minnow as big as a whale, or a Bantam as big as a Jersey Giant.
My personal observations have proven that the capon is a bit heavier when compared to intact siblings raised together, held for the same duration of time. This was done here with RIR’s, BO’s, DC/Buck crosses, and DC/Del crosses. Though the side by side difference was never over a pound. Keep in mind that breed genetics also limits the amount of growth.
The statements that capons are of far superior quality for the table are absolutey correct. I concur with this statement. (I eat capons all year!)
The following links are still active, and are of controlled studies for growth and quality differences. The studies also have side links that can be followed for those who would like to know more.

Capon growth performance (abstract only)
http://poultsci.highwire.org/cgi/content/abstract/89/7/1481

Capon and slips meat quality
http://ps.fass.org/cgi/content/full/88/7/1466

The behavior modifications of the capons is also a big plus. Forty or so crowing, fighting, and aggresive cockerals are all much more well behaved, and much more manageable as capons.
Enjoy the read,
jeff

 

[Zootopia]

[COLOR=000000]Controlled Clinical test results-
People quite often exaggerate the claim of capons growing much larger than intact cockerals by pounds. In fact though, that is truly a fish story of a minnow as big as a whale, or a Bantam as big as a Jersey Giant.
My personal observations have proven that the capon is a bit heavier when compared to intact siblings raised together, held for the same duration of time. This was done here with RIR’s, BO’s, DC/Buck crosses, and DC/Del crosses. Though the side by side difference was never over a pound. Keep in mind that breed genetics also limits the amount of growth.
The statements that capons are of far superior quality for the table are absolutey correct. I concur with this statement. (I eat capons all year!)
The following links are still active, and are of controlled studies for growth and quality differences. The studies also have side links that can be followed for those who would like to know more.
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[COLOR=333333]Capon growth performance (abstract only)[/COLOR] [COLOR=0000FF]http://poultsci.highwire.org/cgi/content/abstract/89/7/1481[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]Capon and slips meat quality[/COLOR] http://[COLOR=0000FF]http://ps.fass.org/cgi/content/full/88/7/1466[/COLOR]
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The behavior modifications of the capons is also a big plus. Forty or so crowing, fighting, and aggresive cockerals are all much more well behaved, and much more manageable as capons.
Enjoy the read,
jeff[/COLOR]

Very interesting. It would seem that caponing at am earlier age as well as surgical stress from extended surgical times are big factors in eventual weight gain in capons. They also showed a cool tool that is smaller and instead of a loop it is more of a triangle. Are any of the tools in the kits available similar to this?

 

[BCMaraniac]

Very interesting. It would seem that caponing at am earlier age as well as surgical stress from extended surgical times are big factors in eventual weight gain in capons. They also showed a cool tool that is smaller and instead of a loop it is more of a triangle.

Are any of the tools in the kits available similar to this?

I haven't done an experiment about this, but anecdotally I can say that I agree with the results of the study.

I caponized cockerels at 8 weeks and some that were 4 weeks younger at 4-4 1/2 weeks of age. Now, they weren't pure bred because I used eggs from my mixed layer DP flock which were all bred to a Lavender Orpington, but I have noticed that I am having more and more difficulty telling them apart from a size standpoint, with the exception of two of the older ones that are huge(I think they are out of my French Black Copper Marans.....one of them is jet black and has feathered legs and the other one is black but has copper on its hackles). The two groups are 21 and 17 week respectively

The procedure is easier on the younger birds and takes less time. I have 2 six week old late broody-raised ones to caponize(she went broody twice and hid to set her second clutch), but starting next year I am going to caponize them at 3-4 weeks of age.

 

[BCMaraniac]

Kaussandra,

I hope you are feeling better.

I have been taking a good look at the pullets that I attempted to poulardize at the younger age(21 weeks and 17 weeks now), and I believe the older ones are getting rather large red combs wattles, and some long feathering across the back along with a couple of long tail feathers. Perhaps it is just wishful thinking, but I am hopeful that I had some success in interrupting the oviduct. I will try to get some photos in a couple of weeks if this continues to progress.

How old are your oldest capons? I have read that they get unusually long feathering. Have you noticed anything like that in yours?