Great Depression of 2016

[rufus]

Some people may see the Confederate flag as being racist, but others are just proud that their ancestors stood up for states rights. Remember, that was the original issue that brought about the civil war. A lot of facts get disregarded, ignored and perverted. I remember when I was in college, I read that nineteen per cent of the Confederate army were people of color.

People don't know history; they know propaganda. Ask most people what party championed slavery, and they will say the Republican. But, the Republican party was founded as an anti slavery party. It was the Democrats that were dedicated to preserving slavery.

Ask them what party Lincoln belonged to, and about half will say the Democratic party.

Ask them what party championed the civil rights bills, and they will say the Democratic party. They were basically the work of Everett Dirksen, a Republican senator from Illinois. The Democrats were busy burning crosses.

The US education system is more interested in indoctrinating than educating.

 

[Rosa moschata]

I think that video cost me a few IQ points....

Obviously, there are "not very bright" people on both sides, and YouTube abounds with them. But I don't think she LITERALLY expected a check in the mail to pay her bills. I think that was more in reference to his speech about trying to turn the economy around -- that was from just before the 2008 election.

 

[Rosa moschata]

Its a very common term an is always used as an insult. (comparing a persons IQ or actions to those in Jonestown) It is always used to talk about a person or group of people that are not around to hear it cause it is a big enough insult that saying it to someones face has a good chance of ending you missing teeth or worse.

"Drinking the KoolAid" has a history in the Jonestown thing, but has come to mean simply that someone has fallen under the charisma of another, and believes anything he/she says. While you may have a stronger personal attachment to the phrase, it's the first time I've ever heard someone take "serious offense" to it being used. Obviously, some people must think that way, but it can't ALWAYS be meant to such a serious degree if I've lived 37 years, have heard and used the phrase myself, and NEVER encountered someone taking such offense to it until now. It must be a localized thing.

 

[Rosa moschata]

Some people may see the Confederate flag as being racist, but others are just proud that their ancestors stood up for states rights. Remember, that was the original issue that brought about the civil war. A lot of facts get disregarded, ignored and perverted. I remember when I was in college, I read that nineteen per cent of the Confederate army were people of color.

People don't know history; they know propaganda. Ask most people what party championed slavery, and they will say the Republican. But, the Republican party was founded as an anti slavery party. It was the Democrats that were dedicated to preserving slavery.

Ask them what party Lincoln belonged to, and about half will say the Democratic party.

Ask them what party championed the civil rights bills, and they will say the Democratic party. They were basically the work of Everett Dirksen, a Republican senator from Illinois. The Democrats were busy burning crosses.

The US education system is more interested in indoctrinating than educating.

Ask most people a lot of things and you'll be surprised about how many don't know the correct answers. It's not because they "learned it" that way -- it's because they don't know and are trying to guess. I don't fault people for not knowing things which aren't of immediate interest to them. I do fault people who go on marches and protests based on things they think they know, but are actually incorrect. And that goes on a lot -- regardless of political affiliation. Think about people pushing the "teach the controversy" issue for science education. What controversy? There is no controversy -- the arguments presented have long been refuted based on evidence, yet keep getting repeated regardless -- but some people want there to APPEAR to be a controversy because they don't like the conclusions science has drawn. I guess it makes their own indoctrination programs that much more difficult to "make stick." I think after the Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham debate, a lot more people will discover they've been duped about this alleged "controversy."

 

[newfoundland]

I might be wrong but i believe that if a country does not sell to those outside it's borders and remains an enclosed market place it will inevitably stagnate. All the money is just churning around in the system. We are, as we say here,' paying each other to take our washing in.' This is not going to generate wealth. I have to also admit that it is generally viewed here that the standard of living in US is perhaps artificially high and higher for your average person than it would be in Europe. Perhaps there is a sense that people have got used to a standard of living that they are not, in effect, earning. A bubble that surely has to burst?

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I might be wrong but i believe that if a country does not sell to those outside it's borders and remains an enclosed market place it will inevitably stagnate. All the money is just churning around in the system. We are, as we say here,' paying each other to take our washing in.' This is not going to generate wealth. I have to also admit that it is generally viewed here that the standard of living in US is perhaps artificially high and higher for your average person than it would be in Europe. Perhaps there is a sense that people have got used to a standard of living that they are not, in effect, earning. A bubble that surely has to burst?

You are dead on the money with most of this. The thing is that the US has never been a closed system. We could buy an sell almost anywhere. It just was not free trade.

Lets say a local company makes a tv an its costs then $150 to build it an get it to the shelf of a local store. Butt another company in India makes the same TV an cause of wages an other country issues, it can build it an get it on the shelf of that same US store for $100. The US would tax the TV from India at the border about $50 so when you went to the store to buy a TV both would cost about the same price. The US company still had to compete on price but only with other US companies that had the same minimum wage an government rules. The only think he had to compete with the Indian company on was quality.

You at the store would just see 2 TVs at around the same price. You would usually choose the one that you though was better quality.

If you chose the US TV, you were happy to have a good TV an your neighbor was happy to have a good paying job.
If you chose the Indian TV, you were happy to have a good TV, The Indian company is happy the sold a TV at the price they asked an the US government was happy to get cash to pay its bills.

That was how the system was to work anyway. Like anything in government it was far from perfect. It worked ok though. Up until about 1990 almost every town in the US had a factory that gave everyone good jobs an the tag "made in the USA" was known as the highest quality.

Then free trade started...Ross Perot told everyone what free trade would do back in 1992.

He was exactly right. We can not compete even on quality when cost per worker is mandated at 8 to 10 times that of the countries we are trading with.


Import taxes did make a bubble an free trade busted it. We are in a free fall an will fall until we are on the same level as the worst off country we have free trade with. Maybe lower if we dont pull some regulations but I think at some point cost of shipping will be what save us. VW just built a plant in the US. Cars cost a lot to ship so I assume that is what made the numbers for a US plant work again.




The US standard of living is way above most of the world by artificial means. The standard of living for people on welfare in the US is above most people that have good jobs in the rest of the world. People think they are owed that or better. They want $15 an hour to for a no skill job or they expect the government to pay them a fat check to stay home. An the government is doing it so these people will keep voting for them. $17 trillion in debt an climbing says it is going to crash hard...


What happens when the masses in Atlanta dont get a government check one month. In there mind they are owed that standard of living. We talk about war zones everywhere else but when those checks end the US will become a 3ed world nation in war.

 

[oldrooster]

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The last time I checked Evolution and The Big Bang where theories and not proof or evidence of anything. Also people whom argue over "Big Bang" verses "creationism" don't know what they are really arguing over. Why? Because the faith based crowed (at least the Jewish and Christian part) does not list HOW the world was created in their sacred texts (the Torah and the Bible just list the earth was already there when man and everything we know of on this earth was created). So far there has been no scientific proof over "bridging" from one stage of evelotionary stage to the next. So both many religious and scientific minds are duped because they really don't know what they supposedly believe. Going back to the Civil war it was fought over states rights, then some people tried to make it over slavery to win more support to their cause. If someone is upset over seeing the "bars and stars" then are they just as upset over the former east Germany flag? or the flag of the USSR or China or Korea that also in their own form and function oppress people? It may not be true slavery with chains, but isn't it just as possible to be a slave to one's thinking or lack the opitunity to move about freely and express one's ideas and views without fear of being beaten, killed or jailed?

 

[trapperred]

Talk about chicken little. one thing Ive learned is you can ONLY control YOUR actions period. So the world is comng to an end has been for millinia get real people who live in harmony with the natural cycles are healther and happier. a FN if people are dumb or should I say uneducated to eat mcdonalds fast food they should pay the slaves a living wage. The gtossly obese and unhealthy lifestyle of the ave american is a make greater anf real threat than the sky isfalling or should I say the stock market. We live and learn....hopefully

 

[Rosa moschata]

The last time I checked Evolution and The Big Bang where theories and not proof or evidence of anything. Also people whom argue over "Big Bang" verses "creationism" don't know what they are really arguing over. Why? Because the faith based crowed (at least the Jewish and Christian part) does not list HOW the world was created in their sacred texts (the Torah and the Bible just list the earth was already there when man and everything we know of on this earth was created). So far there has been no scientific proof over "bridging" from one stage of evelotionary stage to the next. So both many religious and scientific minds are duped because they really don't know what they supposedly believe.

You don't understand the definition of "scientific theory". It's not the same as the casual "I have a theory on how that happened" usage outside of science. An untested idea is a hypothesis. When a hypothesis to explain facts has undergone rigorous repeated testing, and still fails to be disproved, all the while evidence accumulates that it is accurate, then it becomes a theory. That evolution occurs is fact -- the "theory" part is Darwin's theory of evolution by means of natural selection. Similarly, that gravity exists is a fact -- the "theory" part is how it works, aka the theory of gravitation. Theories explain how facts occur, or are strung together, and are supported by evidence. In science, a theory is "stronger" than a fact.

All evidence thus far indicates that the factual, observable process of evolution accounts for the variety of life we see today, derived from common descent. No evidence has come forward, in the 150+ years since Darwin published his theory, that it is inherently incorrect, despite the onslaught of disagreement early on, and despite the lingering resentment of the idea by creationists (who still have yet to provide any irrefutable evidence in support of their view). Like I said, there is no controversy -- only a group of people who refuse to accept what mountains of evidence indicate.

Whenever the topic of "creationism is science" comes up in a court of law, the idea is knocked down based on lack of evidence. Yet people keep trying to push for it being taught in school. Without understand the process of evolution, most of biology doesn't make sense -- thus "teaching the controversy" in schools will lead to confusion in science classrooms. Do we really want people discouraged from going into science because one group wants to dismiss the field as "promoting an evil, unsupported theory" like evolution? Is that how to encourage innovation? If you insist that your child be taught creationism, then send your child to Sunday School -- there are more churches and other houses of religion in this country than there are public schools, so it shouldn't be difficult to find one. But leave science in the science classroom -- we need more scientists.

If you'd like to see the arguments against it laid out neatly and organized -- and refuted with evidence -- please see the link below.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

 

[newfoundland]

Oh dear, you paint a gloomy picture Rebelcowboysnb, but I do take on board your arguments. One thing life teaches us is that nothing is for nothing, and nothing lasts forever. Living conditions for ordinary people have been improving since the dawn of time and most especially since the second world war. The rapid growth after that period was never going to be sustained, but I guess we all fell for the hype. Many people of my generation, inheriting houses from their parents became millionaires because of the artificially high price of houses. I mean ordinary working class people, the postman, the shop assistant. These houses were bought in the forties and fifties for two or three thousand pounds. On the death of the parents, they have sold for four hundred thousand pounds and more. We knew, even in the sixties, that this could not continue, or our children were destined to be multi millionaires! I think we must accept that we are the generation witnessing the decline of this false prosperity of the sixties and seventies. Sad, but it was never going to last. How could it? Exceptional wealth and comfort come from exceptional ability and application. Most of us are not that exceptional I'm afraid.