Great Depression of 2016

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Ultimately, people will have to adapt to changing conditions. If some fields are no longer economically viable, other fields should be explored. I, myself, returned to college again to explore a new field, and while it takes an investment of time, it will pay off in the long run. It's easier for individuals to change themselves than to change an entire system.

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After reading many of the arguments seem to be either persons whom as I said before didn't know really what they believe or, they did not put any thought into why they believe the way do and they say senseless statements easy to refute, Also it looks to be that some are strawman arguments made up so the author can easily be torn apart. Plus there are few if any "facts" in those arguments. Just someone's opinion not a true fact.
 
After reading many of the arguments seem to be either persons whom as I said before didn't know really what they believe or, they did not put any thought into why they believe the way do and they say senseless statements easy to refute, Also it looks to be that some are strawman arguments made up so the author can easily be torn apart. Plus there are few if any "facts" in those arguments. Just someone's opinion not a true fact.

You've basically summed up the anti-evolution argument.

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Similarly, that gravity exists is a fact -- the "theory" part is how it works, aka the theory of gravitation. Theories explain how facts occur, or are strung together, and are supported by evidence. In science, a theory is "stronger" than a fact.
Thats slippery slope as my physics professor and many other prominent scientists will tell you Gravity is a LAW. Aditionally the stronger than a fact is also inaccurate. The theory of relativity by einstein was accepted as the best answer not the correct one. This was of course until M-theory was suggested and then further supported by Higgs boson.

All evidence thus far indicates that the factual, observable process of evolution accounts for the variety of life we see today, derived from common descent. No evidence has come forward, in the 150+ years since Darwin published his theory, that it is inherently incorrect, despite the onslaught of disagreement early on, and despite the lingering resentment of the idea by creationists (who still have yet to provide any irrefutable evidence in support of their view). Like I said, there is no controversy -- only a group of people who refuse to accept what mountains of evidence indicate.
Factual? Observable? Evolution cant be observed or proven thus it is STILL treated as the "best" theory on how life came to be. When scientists wont even say its the ONLY theory that should tell you they are wishy washy. Evolution doesnt stand up to scrutiny such as explaining a bacterial flagellum or why rocks havent gotten up and started walking, If you beleive in evolution from the evidence you have been presented then I can respect that. But to say its factual and creationism(Intelligent design) is only believe by idiots is just pure none sense. While the govt is against creationism from a religious persepective I know here in WA they are now also offering Intelligent design as an alternative theory.


Without understand the process of evolution, most of biology doesn't make sense -- thus "teaching the controversy" in schools will lead to confusion in science classrooms. Do we really want people discouraged from going into science because one group wants to dismiss the field as "promoting an evil, unsupported theory" like evolution? Is that how to encourage innovation? If you insist that your child be taught creationism, then send your child to Sunday School -- there are more churches and other houses of religion in this country than there are public schools, so it shouldn't be difficult to find one. But leave science in the science classroom -- we need more scientists.
Yes that is the duty of any good education establisment to offer all possiblities and theories and let the students decide what they believe. Teaching only one view point is call propaganda or brainwashing. You dont have to go into sermens about creationism from the religious stand point but I think it should be at least discussed in classrooms as a competing theory. Also Intelligent design does have some gaps just as full on creationism and darwins theory but things make a lot more sense. Now whether you think Intelligent design is suggesting we are made by aliens or some deity is where it gets murky. Be VERY careful before suggesting that our schools should only teach one way of thinking in any field. That is a very dangerous slippery slope to go down and leads to an ignorant and suppressed society.
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Ultimately, people will have to adapt to changing conditions. If some fields are no longer economically viable, other fields should be explored. I, myself, returned to college again to explore a new field, and while it takes an investment of time, it will pay off in the long run. It's easier for individuals to change themselves than to change an entire system.
Going back to school doesnt make economical sense at this point when the govt is on the media asking for help trying to figure out what to do with all these people graduating with bachelors and masters degrees that cant find jobs that pay above the poverty line. Not syaing college is bad as when the economy is atleast breaking even its a great investment. But with the current state of economic turmoil there are many who think getting into debt for college at this point would not be a good investment.
 
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So are you implying because you know what YOU believe, that it HAS TO BE TRUE. I believe both sides have flaws so I have to seek out what makes the most logical sense for me to believe in. I am not in a position to tell you or anyone else what to believe, that is for each person to decide for themselves, but you are taking opinoins and stating they are facts. You seem to be the one blinded by your own belief system.
 
Going back to school may work, or it may not. I hope it is in a field that will prove to be productive. The problem seems not so much a "failure to launch" as a failure to find a place to land.

Things have to be done carefully now days.
 
Not sure if its been shared before because this link has gotten so large. But here is a neat national debt clock with a breakdown of what the debt is from.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Kinda odd to think we spend more on medicaid/medicare then we have on all the wars.
 
Reminder, the title of this thread is...

Great Depression of 2016

Your thoughts on our current debt?

Speaking of great depression... I am not sure if any of you shoot at all. But .22lr ammo which is normally very cheap has gotten insanely expensive. When Mr. Obama's cabinet suggested a firearms ban the amount of Gun ownership in the US doubled. So atleast if we go into a depression we know squirrels and other small game will be a popular menu item.

On a side note.. why do we need more and more taxes? Looking only at the geometric rate of population in the US it just seems like more people paying taxes would be giving the government a surplus of $$$. Instead it feels like the more people paying taxes means the more services we have to cut unless we pay more new taxes on everything from food to investments(which I dont think should be taxed as your helping keep yourself self reliant in the future). Thoughts?
 
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