Gun legislation- anyone heard about this?

[adoptedbyachicken]

I think if you look a the past you will find quite a few countries that have already been there, done this. It never turned out as bad as your imagining. Canada has very strict gun control and this is on top of the fact that having a gun here is a privilege not a right. Yet I can go into any store that sells guns right now and buy one. The store simply takes my gun card, swipes it, moves the gun on their computer from their inventory to mine and box it up for me to leave with. Daily the gun data bases of gun dealerships send into the gun registry the transactions. In about 10 days the certificate that registers it to me shows up in my mail box. Done deal, that's it. Private sales are handled on the web or by phone, same thing, record transferred, gun changes hands.

So what difference can that make? Well if your traveling with a gun for a lawful reason I don't see why you would find having a gun card in your wallet a big deal. If you get stopped by the police they run the number with no more difficulty than your driver's license and see that in fact you own that gun. No problem. But if your on the way to rob a bank likely you don't want the gun traced to you, so it's not yours, you got it off the black market, or since your a robber anyway you stole it. They catch you speeding and wow, you don't have a gun card, and that gun is not registered, or has been reported stolen. Hmmmmm. Easier to track crime.

The only thing I see it forcing the legitiment gun owner do is report lost or stolen guns, and keep them stored safe for prevention of misuse. I see that as a good thing. One thing to note is that I can also carry any gun I don't own, then it just gets recorded that I was carrying it. I guess if there was any question they would contact the owner to confirm. Often people pack notes from the owner if they are taking other's guns out to the range or hunting.

 

[Buster]

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My problem with this is that if they know the location of every gun for every owner, then it will be that much easier when the government wants to come in and take them all away. They will have records and a paper trail for every firearm and there will be no denying them when they want to disarm the populace. Call me paranoid, but I have a big problem with the government knowing everything I do. Look at the controversy surrounding NAIS. The government wants to track all the animals and people have a big problem with that. Same thing with this proposed law. They want to track our guns. In my opinion, it's none of their business on either case and they will only use the information against us. JMO.

 

[gamebirdsonly]

It's all about control. There is alot more I would like to say. but it would just get me in trouble.

 

[Blue Skys]

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But in America it is in our constitution, it has been qouted on this thread, that it is our right (not privledge (sp))as Americans and will not be infringed upon.

As far as concealed carry you do have to have a permit in the US, for that you have to have a back ground check, finger prints and a class with a range test at the end. That I don't have a problem with at all. I have nothing to hide. (each state determines the qualifications for the permit)

Traveling laws vary state to state, some you can conceal your firearm in your car with no permit, some you may only have them broken down, locked up in the truck, just depends on the state. My state allows me to carry concealed in my vehicle and to and from my home a work with no permit. Some states even allow open carry, like VA, the sate I was born and raised. But it's up to the state not the federal government.

But for my protection in my home, it is not the governments job to tell me how to protect my family, or by what means I may do so. It is also not in my best interest for them to track it.

 

[adoptedbyachicken]

Buster I don't think your paranoid, but I do think your taking this further in you mind than it could ever go physically in reality. I mean think about that for a second, 'they' are going to come and take all our guns away. Who could 'they' possibly be that they could physically accomplish this to each and every gun owner in the US? Never going to happen, nor is it he intent of a gun registry to set up for that. Yes they may require you to register them, and there was a huge outcry at the beginning in Canada on that, but none of the doomsayers concerns ever came true. One the good side however lots of guns that people never used anymore, did not want to own anymore or did not wish to be bothered storing properly got sold or disposed of somehow. Even my father called me about guns that belonged to his father which I found out he had in the crawl space of the house. No idea they were down there, and had dad died suddenly we might have just sold the house with them still there! None of us kids knew about them and seeing the new laws dad decided to get rid of them finally.

One thing I did not mention, if your buying a gun in Canada the gun registry helps to protect you. By buying a registered gun your sure that the person selling it to you owns it, it's not something he picked up last night in a B&E. Gun cards are photo ID, and you need their number to get a gun transferred into your card, and he should be asking to see your card too.

 

[Reinbeau]

Blue Skys, there are states where you need a CC permit, and states where you don't. Federal law trumps local with regards to what's called 'peaceable journey', which means you can transport your guns through any state, provided they're locked, in containers, and locked in your trunk, ammunition kept separate. Although there are states that will make your life a living you-know-what over it. Which is the whole point. They should not have that kind of power over us.

 

[JennsPeeps]

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Devil('s advocate) made me do it: But what if it's in mine?

 

[wifepreferschickenstome]

One only need look at Australian and the UK to see what happens when public allow governments to impose obtuse and draconian gun control legislation. The scary truth is that once gone, gun freedom is gone forever.

This law, like all similar laws before it in other counties Like Canada, (where I own many many guns...) is based on perception and intuition, Not evidence or research. Our country has huge issues with gang violence and nary a day goes by when we don't hear about immigrant gang banger or two being snuffed. (self-limiting problem I say!)

But now the public is shedding crocodile tears and the politicians are saying, "Let's ban more guns!!" Well, last time I checked, walking around with an unregistered, stolen, concealed handgun is ALREADY illegal! As are Heroin, Cocaine, Crystal Meth and a myriad of other substances that "banning" has done SFA to eradicate.

It is not my place nor my intention to engage in a second amendment debate, but While I support gun ownership by responsible people, I also support reasonable steps to ensure they stay out of the hands of the unworthy. Truth be known, the gun registry was feared as being the biggest infringement on firearms law we had ever seen here, but in practice, it is just - in practice - an expensive, obfuscated and largely ineffective public burden that really causes me no practical difficulty at all.

I really wish that our legislators would practice more CRIMINAL control and look at what "controlling" drugs, guns, or other contraband has functionally solved thus far.

Cheers,

Ian

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I dont mind having to get a permit to carry a gun hidden on my person. I've had a CC permit for years but I chose to carry open on my hip. What I have issue with is them having them having records of the guns I have. I also think anyone should have the right to keep a gun at home without having to report it.

Georgia is a no gun registration state but you have to have a CC permit to carry hand guns or large knife off your property open or hidden. In your home or business is your business. There is no reason to make it more strict.

 

[adoptedbyachicken]

Blue Shys that is my point, here it is a privilege and you have a right. Yet here it's not effecting me at all physically, so there it sure not harm you. I really don't think you have anything to worry about at all. It's just a tracking of the serial number on the gun from the manufacturer, to the retailer, to you, to whoever you sell it to, and onward.

Yes to get a gun card you can't be a nutcase or have a history of crimes committed with guns. Well Doh' I don't think anyone had any fight with that part of the deal. No fingerprints required here.