Hands on hatching and help

[RubyNala97]

I forgot I wanted to tell you guys something. So I have a couple family members watching the animals for me while I'm away. My mom, my grandma and my grandpa. Each one is doing a couple days. Today was my grandfather's day but my mom is stopping over at night to give the ducks an extra water change. Anyway, you know my wry neck pullet that was on the mend? Well my mom told me today that my grandfather took it upon himself to cull the bird today. Never asked me, never even told me. In fact I told my grandfather not to even worry about her and that my mom would feed & water her on his day to help. I have not confronted him yet. I'm not overly upset that the bird is gone. I don't know if she would have made a full recovery and I didn't have a great attachment to her BUT he doesn't know that and that's what I'm upset about. I'm upset that one of MY birds was put down without my consent. What if she was a beloved pet? Or my favorite bird? He does not know anything about her or the situation or my feelings on the matter. And I find that to be very disrespectful and overstepping boundaries. My mom said she was doing good as of last night. I'm curious if he plans on lying to me or just telling me the truth. I'm going to call in a little while. What do you guys think about this? Is it totally insane or what? Would you flip?

 

[ShanandGem]

I forgot I wanted to tell you guys something. So I have a couple family members watching the animals for me while I'm away. My mom, my grandma and my grandpa. Each one is doing a couple days. Today was my grandfather's day but my mom is stopping over at night to give the ducks an extra water change. Anyway, you know my wry neck pullet that was on the mend? Well my mom told me today that my grandfather took it upon himself to cull the bird today. Never asked me, never even told me. In fact I told my grandfather not to even worry about her and that my mom would feed & water her on his day to help. I have not confronted him yet. I'm not overly upset that the bird is gone. I don't know if she would have made a full recovery and I didn't have a great attachment to her BUT he doesn't know that and that's what I'm upset about. I'm upset that one of MY birds was put down without my consent. What if she was a beloved pet? Or my favorite bird? He does not know anything about her or the situation or my feelings on the matter. And I find that to be very disrespectful and overstepping boundaries. My mom said she was doing good as of last night. I'm curious if he plans on lying to me or just telling me the truth. I'm going to call in a little while. What do you guys think about this? Is it totally insane or what? Would you flip?

Does your grandfather have any experience with livestock/poultry? If he's an old farmer he probably thinks he did you a favor. I'm NOT making excuses for him but he may feel you didn't have the brass to do it yourself and somehow he helped you out. Depending on your relationship with him and how close you are, you may want to give him a chance to explain himself before going full bish on him.
That being said, I'd be full on homicidal if it happened to me.

 

[Ravynscroft]

I forgot I wanted to tell you guys something. So I have a couple family members watching the animals for me while I'm away. My mom, my grandma and my grandpa. Each one is doing a couple days. Today was my grandfather's day but my mom is stopping over at night to give the ducks an extra water change. Anyway, you know my wry neck pullet that was on the mend? Well my mom told me today that my grandfather took it upon himself to cull the bird today. Never asked me, never even told me. In fact I told my grandfather not to even worry about her and that my mom would feed & water her on his day to help. I have not confronted him yet. I'm not overly upset that the bird is gone. I don't know if she would have made a full recovery and I didn't have a great attachment to her BUT he doesn't know that and that's what I'm upset about. I'm upset that one of MY birds was put down without my consent. What if she was a beloved pet? Or my favorite bird? He does not know anything about her or the situation or my feelings on the matter. And I find that to be very disrespectful and overstepping boundaries. My mom said she was doing good as of last night. I'm curious if he plans on lying to me or just telling me the truth. I'm going to call in a little while. What do you guys think about this? Is it totally insane or what? Would you flip?

You have every right to be upset, and I would call him out if he lies about it... he had no right to cull your bird... now if she had a serious injury, like the bone in her neck was exposed for example, then I could understand... but that still requires a courtesy call, preferably before hand...

Knowing you were treating her and she wasn't suffering, he should not have touched her... now, if you were the type to leave a bird suffering, I could understand taking matters into ones own hands... but you aren't like that and you do cull if it is the best course of action...

Bottom line, she was your property and he should have asked you...

 

[audy5000g]

Aww, I'm sorry that stinks. There was probably a lot more going on that can't be seen by the eye. I'm curious to see if it even absorbed the yolk. Are you gonna pull it from the shell?
I usually look for lots of healthy veining. Your air cells may not be firm by day 7 but if they are then that's a good sign. Did you calibrate a seperate thermometer and hygrometer?

I did not. No clue how to do that.

 

[jenniferlamar70]

I forgot I wanted to tell you guys something. So I have a couple family members watching the animals for me while I'm away. My mom, my grandma and my grandpa. Each one is doing a couple days. Today was my grandfather's day but my mom is stopping over at night to give the ducks an extra water change. Anyway, you know my wry neck pullet that was on the mend? Well my mom told me today that my grandfather took it upon himself to cull the bird today. Never asked me, never even told me. In fact I told my grandfather not to even worry about her and that my mom would feed & water her on his day to help. I have not confronted him yet. I'm not overly upset that the bird is gone. I don't know if she would have made a full recovery and I didn't have a great attachment to her BUT he doesn't know that and that's what I'm upset about. I'm upset that one of MY birds was put down without my consent. What if she was a beloved pet? Or my favorite bird? He does not know anything about her or the situation or my feelings on the matter. And I find that to be very disrespectful and overstepping boundaries. My mom said she was doing good as of last night. I'm curious if he plans on lying to me or just telling me the truth. I'm going to call in a little while. What do you guys think about this? Is it totally insane or what? Would you flip?

I would be very upset. It is a respect thing. You don't take something like that into your own hands without the consent of the owner no matter how close you are. I would never do that to anyone and I would expect the same courtesy. I have an Irish temper though so I wouldn't be that calm if it happened. Sorry about your little bird...

 

[RubyNala97]

Does your grandfather have any experience with livestock/poultry?  If he's an old farmer he probably thinks he did you a favor.  I'm NOT making excuses for him but he may feel you didn't have the brass to do it yourself and somehow he helped you out.  Depending on your relationship with him and how close you are, you may want to give him a chance to explain himself before going full  bish on him.
That being said, I'd be full on homicidal if it happened to me.

You are on the right track with what you said. He has bred pigeons for many decades. He's a serious racer. The best on the east coast. So to him a sickly bird or an injured bird will not race and therefore should be put down ASAP. So I understand where his thinking is coming from. It just upsets me that it was done without my consent. I'm sure he does think he was doing me a favor. And honestly I'm not one to go crazy and yell and scream but boundaries are important to me. I've worked really hard to be independent and not ask for help, so it's almost like asking him to help me while I'm away blurred those family boundaries I've tried so hard to establish. (Can you tell my family has major boundaries issues, lol).

You have every right to be upset, and I would call him out if he lies about it... he had no right to cull your bird... now if she had a serious injury, like the bone in her neck was exposed for example, then I could understand... but that still requires a courtesy call, preferably before hand...

Knowing you were treating her and she wasn't suffering, he should not have touched her... now, if you were the type to leave a bird suffering, I could understand taking matters into ones own hands... but you aren't like that and you do cull if it is the best course of action...

Bottom line, she was your property and he should have asked you...

Her neck was still crooked (not like a pretzel or turned upside down, just cocked to the side) but she was eating, drinking, pecking around and preening. She was doing ok. Even being talkative. If I would have treated her for a month and her neck was still crooked then I was most likely going to put her down. I just wanted to give her a chance at recovery first (I've read wry neck symptoms can take a good 2-3 weeks to go away). And I called but he was sleeping. My grandma said "I think your chicken in the house choked to death". So I didn't get the whole story but my mom was there only hours earlier and she was fine. My mom was there hours later and she was dead & disposed and the cage was cleaned and put away. How can a chicken choke to death on watery mash? She was even eating scratch and grit when I left with no problems.

I did not. No clue how to do that.

Here are some links. Even with local eggs, if your temps are off either way by only a couple degrees it can lead to a failed hatched. And with humidity, a trained eye can gauge it by air cell growth alone but with the air cell shapes that shipped eggs can take, it can be difficult to tell.
I would get a cheap glass thermometer and a cheap dial hygrometer. Then calibrate them and check them against the readings on your incubator.
http://blog2.thermoworks.com/2010/10/making-a-proper-ice-bath/
http://www.stevejenkins.com/blog/20...grometer-humidity-sensor-using-the-salt-test/

 

[AmyLynn2374]

So...

day 7 I candle the eggs and look for proper air sack and fertilization right?

Is there a formula to follow for this? Like how do I know it's an egg is not fertilize or going to make it?

Also where is the link to how the air sacs should look? I can't find it.

Thanks all. Friday is day 7.

Air cell chart for chickens.
If your eggs are light and not real dark you should see plenty of veining by day 7. I'll share the candling page with you as well. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...g-candling-pics-progression-though-incubation That will gie you an idea of what you should be seeing candling all the way up through day 18- lockdown.

I forgot I wanted to tell you guys something. So I have a couple family members watching the animals for me while I'm away. My mom, my grandma and my grandpa. Each one is doing a couple days. Today was my grandfather's day but my mom is stopping over at night to give the ducks an extra water change. Anyway, you know my wry neck pullet that was on the mend? Well my mom told me today that my grandfather took it upon himself to cull the bird today. Never asked me, never even told me. In fact I told my grandfather not to even worry about her and that my mom would feed & water her on his day to help. I have not confronted him yet. I'm not overly upset that the bird is gone. I don't know if she would have made a full recovery and I didn't have a great attachment to her BUT he doesn't know that and that's what I'm upset about. I'm upset that one of MY birds was put down without my consent. What if she was a beloved pet? Or my favorite bird? He does not know anything about her or the situation or my feelings on the matter. And I find that to be very disrespectful and overstepping boundaries. My mom said she was doing good as of last night. I'm curious if he plans on lying to me or just telling me the truth. I'm going to call in a little while. What do you guys think about this? Is it totally insane or what? Would you flip?

I would be majorly ticked. No one should make that decision except you. You are the one there to gauge the situation and progression. Look at my little silkie that I was told to kill and then was personally attacked when I decined to take the advice and give her/him (I'm really leaning toward him now instead of her.) a chance to heal. It's 100% healed and you can't even tell that it's leg had been hurt. Absolutely perfect bird now. You've always done what was in your birds' best interest and no one should take that decision from you or critisize your decisions on what actions you choose to take.

 

[jenniferlamar70]

Geez my first hatch that I did so well on has turned out to be all roosters except for 2. They are olive eggers too. You only buy those for the pretty eggs they lay lol. Rotten luck...

 

[RubyNala97]

I would be majorly ticked. No one should make that decision except you. You are the one there to gauge the situation and progression.  Look at my little silkie that I was told to kill and then was personally attacked when I decined to take the advice and give her/him (I'm really leaning toward him now instead of her.) a chance to heal. It's 100% healed and you can't even tell that it's leg had been hurt. Absolutely perfect bird now. You've always done what was in your birds' best interest and no one should take that decision from you or critisize your decisions on what actions you choose  to take.  

Thanks. Yeah, even my gma was aggravating me when I was showing her around the house/animals. She kept saying "why are you even trying with that one?". I guess it's more of a old school philosophy that if an animal gets sick or injured you just put them down. I look at it like if an animal gets sick or injured you try to fix them first and if that doesn't work then put them down. Because in most cases there's probably about a 50% chance it will work. I guess the same goes to the people that won't help a chick out of an egg. But with that I would say there is a much greater chance of a successful hatchling then not.

Geez my first hatch that I did so well on has turned out to be all roosters except for 2. They are olive eggers too. You only buy those for the pretty eggs they lay lol. Rotten luck...

This is how the addiction grows because now you can hatch more olive eggers to get girls!

 

[Ravynscroft]

Geez my first hatch that I did so well on has turned out to be all roosters except for 2. They are olive eggers too. You only buy those for the pretty eggs they lay lol. Rotten luck...

Need more olive egger eggs?