Hands on hatching and help

[AmyLynn2374]

So it's almost over! Great job on them! What kind are they again?

12 was the final count. According to my nephew they were "black sex links" supposedly barred over reds, however, I believe after talking to my sister, they were eggs from the hatchery black sex links he raised. 4 are yellow/redish the others are black and penguin. If my understanding is right, you can't go by the white spots because the parents are sex links themselves from barred and reds, not true pures. So I am not sure. Cause genetics isn't anything I've really delved into.

One of these guys are the noisiest loud annoying, (but adorable) chicks. She just doesn't shut up. Looks and acts perfectly healthy- they all do, but dang, she needs to shush...lol

 

[WVduckchick]

12 was the final count.  According to my nephew they were "black sex links" supposedly barred over reds, however, I believe after talking to my sister, they were eggs from the hatchery black sex links he raised. 4 are yellow/redish the others are black and penguin. If my understanding is right, you can't go by the white spots because the parents are sex links themselves from barred and reds, not true pures. So I am not sure. Cause genetics isn't anything I've really delved into. 

One of these guys are the noisiest loud annoying, (but adorable) chicks. She just doesn't shut up. Looks and acts perfectly healthy- they all do, but dang, she needs to shush...lol

If any of the actual parents are barred, it will still carry to the opposite sex. Mother to son, white head dot or Father to daughter.

 

[jenniferlamar70]

12 was the final count.  According to my nephew they were "black sex links" supposedly barred over reds, however, I believe after talking to my sister, they were eggs from the hatchery black sex links he raised. 4 are yellow/redish the others are black and penguin. If my understanding is right, you can't go by the white spots because the parents are sex links themselves from barred and reds, not true pures. So I am not sure. Cause genetics isn't anything I've really delved into. 

One of these guys are the noisiest loud annoying, (but adorable) chicks. She just doesn't shut up. Looks and acts perfectly healthy- they all do, but dang, she needs to shush...lol

If the hen was barred then the chicks should be sex linked, if the father was barred then you would get 50/50 from what I've read.

 

[WVduckchick]

If any of the actual parents are barred, it will still carry to the opposite sex. Mother to son, white head dot or Father to daughter.

If the hen was barred then the chicks should be sex linked, if the father was barred then you would get 50/50 from what I've read.

We're both a little off. It depends on who is barred, whether the other is solid or barred, and whether double barred or single.

Amy, see if you can find out what the actual parents could be.

 

[Ravynscroft]

12 was the final count.  According to my nephew they were "black sex links" supposedly barred over reds, however, I believe after talking to my sister, they were eggs from the hatchery black sex links he raised. 4 are yellow/redish the others are black and penguin. If my understanding is right, you can't go by the white spots because the parents are sex links themselves from barred and reds, not true pures. So I am not sure. Cause genetics isn't anything I've really delved into. 

One of these guys are the noisiest loud annoying, (but adorable) chicks. She just doesn't shut up. Looks and acts perfectly healthy- they all do, but dang, she needs to shush...lol

Either way they wouldn't be sex linked... the hen only has to be barred and rooster needs to be solid... or gold rooster over silver hens *I think*...

If any of the actual parents are barred, it will still carry to the opposite sex. Mother to son, white head dot or Father to daughter.

No, it only works one way...

If the hen was barred then the chicks should be sex linked, if the father was barred then you would get 50/50 from what I've read.

If hens are barred then they could be sex linked... if the rooster is barred then he passes the barring to ALL his offspring indiscriminately... only the hens will withhold barring from her daughters...

 

[WVduckchick]

Either way they wouldn't be sex linked... the hen only has to be barred and rooster needs to be solid... or gold rooster over silver hens *I think*...
No, it only works one way...
If hens are barred then they could be sex linked... if the rooster is barred then he passes the barring to ALL his offspring indiscriminately... only the hens will withhold barring from her daughters...

But if she is barred too, and he is only single barred, some of the females could be solid.

ETA and if she is solid and he is only single barred, some of the females could also be solid.

 

[Ravynscroft]

But if she is barred too, and he is only single barred, some of the females could be solid.

ETA and if she is solid and he is only single barred, some of the females could also be solid.

Hmmm... didn't know that bit... everything I researched just said that the male passes his barring to all offspring...

I do know if both are barred, sometimes you can get females with small headspots and males with larger splotches... and females can only ever be single barred...

 

[Pyxis]

Hmmm... didn't know that bit... everything I researched just said that the male passes his barring to all offspring...

I do know if both are barred, sometimes you can get females with small headspots and males with larger splotches... and females can only ever be single barred...

This happens because the barring gene is sex linked. Chickens have different sex chromosomes than we do - while for humans females are XX and males are XY, in chickens (and birds in general) females are ZW and males are ZZ. The barring gene is carried on the Z chromosome - this is why males can carry two copies of barring and females only one, and it's also why sex linking works. So a single barred male carries barring on only one of his Z chromosomes. Depending on which Z chromosome gets passed to the female, the female will either be barred (if she gets the chromosome that the barred gene is on) or not (if she gets the one that doesn't carry a barred gene). If however a male is double barred, all his daughters have to be barred. So, you can get solid females out of a barred male, but only if the male is single barred. This is a bit of a simplification but I hope it makes sense.

If you want to know why sex linking works, it's because a female can only ever inherit barring from her father, since it's the ovum that determines the gender of the chick and not the sperm as it is in humans, meaning a hen never passes a Z chromosome to her daughters, she only passes the W. And since barring is only carried on the Z, she can't pass it to her daughters, but she always passes it to her sons.

And there's my random genetics lecture

 

[AmyLynn2374]

If any of the actual parents are barred, it will still carry to the opposite sex. Mother to son, white head dot or Father to daughter.

We're both a little off. It depends on who is barred, whether the other is solid or barred, and whether double barred or single.

Amy, see if you can find out what the actual parents could be.

That's the problem, I tried and he has a mix of all the roos and hens that he purchased through the hatchery (as black sex links to my understanding) and raised all together in the same coop/run.

This happens because the barring gene is sex linked. Chickens have different sex chromosomes than we do - while for humans females are XX and males are XY, in chickens (and birds in general) females are ZW and males are ZZ. The barring gene is carried on the Z chromosome - this is why males can carry two copies of barring and females only one, and it's also why sex linking works. So a single barred male carries barring on only one of his Z chromosomes. Depending on which Z chromosome gets passed to the female, the female will either be barred (if she gets the chromosome that the barred gene is on) or not (if she gets the one that doesn't carry a barred gene). If however a male is double barred, all his daughters have to be barred. So, you can get solid females out of a barred male, but only if the male is single barred. This is a bit of a simplification but I hope it makes sense.

If you want to know why sex linking works, it's because a female can only ever inherit barring from her father, since it's the ovum that determines the gender of the chick and not the sperm as it is in humans, meaning a hen never passes a Z chromosome to her daughters, she only passes the W.

And there's my random genetics lecture

And this is why I don't get into genetics...lol


This is what I had found when I went looking:

When we breed a barred male to solid color females, his daughters get a normal and full dose of barring and his sons get only one gene, or half the normal dose, of barring. If the hen used was black, all the chicks will be barred. If the hen carries the silver gene, then the daughters will be barred and the sons white or white with barring. As chicks, we would see yellow down on males and black down with white spots on females.

Black sexlinks are the result of crossing a Rhode Island Red or New Hampshire Red rooster over Barred Plymouth Rock females. Both sexes hatch out black, but the males have a white dot on their heads. Pullets feather out black with some red in neck feathers. Males feather out with the Barred Rock pattern along with a few red feathers. Black Sexlinks are often referred to as Rock Reds.
http://countrysidenetwork.com/daily/poultry/chickens-101/understanding-sex-link-hybrid-chickens/

I have blacks with white dots, blacks with no dots, yellows and yellow/redish lol

According to my nephew, he plans on bringing down like 30ish Guinea, (I believe he said pearl?) eggs. Apparently now he knows what is what. We'll see.


So to answer the original question, all I know is they are black sex link offspring or black sex links lol

 

[Ravynscroft]

This happens because the barring gene is sex linked. Chickens have different sex chromosomes than we do - while for humans females are XX and males are XY, in chickens (and birds in general) females are ZW and males are ZZ. The barring gene is carried on the Z chromosome - this is why males can carry two copies of barring and females only one, and it's also why sex linking works. So a single barred male carries barring on only one of his Z chromosomes. Depending on which Z chromosome gets passed to the female, the female will either be barred (if she gets the chromosome that the barred gene is on) or not (if she gets the one that doesn't carry a barred gene). If however a male is double barred, all his daughters have to be barred. So, you can get solid females out of a barred male, but only if the male is single barred. This is a bit of a simplification but I hope it makes sense.

If you want to know why sex linking works, it's because a female can only ever inherit barring from her father, since it's the ovum that determines the gender of the chick and not the sperm as it is in humans, meaning a hen never passes a Z chromosome to her daughters, she only passes the W. And since barring is only carried on the Z, she can't pass it to her daughters, but she always passes it to her sons.

And there's my random genetics lecture

Heh, way too much I understand instinctually but can't explain, lol... I was going under double barred males cuz that's all I've ever worked with as well... knew it was sex linked just missed the single barred male bit...

That's the problem, I tried and he has a mix of all the roos and hens that he purchased through the hatchery (as black sex links to my understanding) and raised all together in the same coop/run.

And this is why I don't get into genetics...lol


This is what I had found when I went looking: 

[COLOR=222222]When we breed a barred male to solid color females, his daughters get a normal and full dose of barring and his sons get only one gene, or half the normal dose, of barring. If the hen used was black, all the chicks will be barred. If the hen carries the silver gene, then the daughters will be barred and the sons white or white with barring. As chicks, we would see yellow down on males and black down with white spots on females.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=222222]Black sexlinks are the result of crossing a Rhode Island Red or New Hampshire Red rooster over Barred Plymouth Rock females. Both sexes hatch out black, but the males have a white dot on their heads. Pullets feather out black with some red in neck feathers. Males feather out with the Barred Rock pattern along with a few red feathers. Black Sexlinks are often referred to as Rock Reds.[/COLOR]
http://countrysidenetwork.com/daily/poultry/chickens-101/understanding-sex-link-hybrid-chickens/

I have blacks with white dots, blacks with no dots, yellows and yellow/redish   lol

According to my nephew, he plans on bringing down like 30ish Guinea, (I believe he said pearl?) eggs. Apparently now he knows what is what. We'll see.


[COLOR=222222]So to answer the original question, all I know is they are black sex link offspring or black sex links  lol[/COLOR]

Just go with they are mutts and barring won't help sex them... will give you less frustration later, lol...