Hands on hatching and help

[jenniferlamar70]

Either way they wouldn't be sex linked... the hen only has to be barred and rooster needs to be solid... or gold rooster over silver hens *I think*...
No, it only works one way...
If hens are barred then they could be sex linked... if the rooster is barred then he passes the barring to ALL his offspring indiscriminately... only the hens will withhold barring from her daughters...

Yes this is what I've been reading up on as well. I have a chart somewhere bit I'm by no means an expert yet lol

This happens because the barring gene is sex linked. Chickens have different sex chromosomes than we do - while for humans females are XX and males are XY, in chickens (and birds in general) females are ZW and males are ZZ. The barring gene is carried on the Z chromosome - this is why males can carry two copies of barring and females only one, and it's also why sex linking works. So a single barred male carries barring on only one of his Z chromosomes. Depending on which Z chromosome gets passed to the female, the female will either be barred (if she gets the chromosome that the barred gene is on) or not (if she gets the one that doesn't carry a barred gene). If however a male is double barred, all his daughters have to be barred. So, you can get solid females out of a barred male, but only if the male is single barred. This is a bit of a simplification but I hope it makes sense.

If you want to know why sex linking works, it's because a female can only ever inherit barring from her father, since it's the ovum that determines the gender of the chick and not the sperm as it is in humans, meaning a hen never passes a Z chromosome to her daughters, she only passes the W. And since barring is only carried on the Z, she can't pass it to her daughters, but she always passes it to her sons.

And there's my random genetics lecture

You lost me at this happens lol.. joking sort of lol. I get the gist of it but I always get lost when they start naming chromosomes. I've heard the sex is determined by the hen. I'm wanting to learn more about how to het females. I just know there has to be a way to do this geneticallyeven if I don't know it yet lol. Also my cemani are growing and I noticed something strange. 2 of themy have a comb that has like 6 teeth while the 1 only has 3. Does this mean anything or is it just random? Their combs shouldn't look different should they?

You guys lost me with all the sex link lingo! All I know is that silkies are really hard to sex!!

Remember the woman from Alaske that I told you guys about that bought my eggs....The one that was planning on NOT turning them at all and when I suggested that she not do that, I never heard back from her? Well I heard from her today. She actually bought more eggs from me because the first batch developed but not one egg hatched!! So no experimentation needed. Everyone was right, it was a disaster. She wants more eggs so she can "change her method" and hopefully get some chicks. I didn't say anything like I was thinking ("I told you so" ), I just said I was sorry she didn't get any chicks and I sent more eggs. I really hope by "changing her methods" she means turning them!
I know how that is!! I had a chick with a broody that never shut up. I mean it cried it's head off 24/7! I think some chicks are just a lot louder then most!

Yes still guessing on my silkies. I'm stumped. The suspense is killing me lol

All this talk of barring reminds me I am going to have to cross my Lavender Cuckoo Orpingtons out to solid Lavenders as the best quality birds I can find are solid Lavender.  Then I will have to keep track of whether my boys are single or double barred in every generation.  What a headache.

I have chocolate and chocolate barred in my incubator now. Next to none are developing though. I'm super bummed because they are the ones with the fluffy bums lol

 

[ShanandGem]

Here's a great website that breaks down breeding with barred birds:

http://www.hobbypoultry.com/the-barred-gene-use-in-chickens/

No one could have fluffier bums than my Buff Orpington hens!

 

[jenniferlamar70]

@Pyxis @RavynFallen
I asked earlier but wanted a specific post lol anyways my ayam cemani have different looking combs. 2 have a comb with 6 teeth and one has 3 more jagged looking. Only about 3 weeks but I'm wondering if this might be gender related? Thanks guys lol.

 

[Ravynscroft]

@Pyxis @RavynFallen
I asked earlier but wanted a specific post lol anyways my ayam cemani have different looking combs. 2 have a comb with 6 teeth and one has 3 more jagged looking. Only about 3 weeks but I'm wondering if this might be gender related? Thanks guys lol.

Don't think so... but Pyxis would know better than me... seems I have 2 cockerels with different number of points on each...

 

[Pyxis]

@Pyxis @RavynFallen
I asked earlier but wanted a specific post lol anyways my ayam cemani have different looking combs. 2 have a comb with 6 teeth and one has 3 more jagged looking. Only about 3 weeks but I'm wondering if this might be gender related? Thanks guys lol.

It's just different genetics The Indonesian standard for these guys actually doesn't even have a set number of points they should have, it just calls for an odd number that's between 3 to 7 points. The Indonesian standard:

http://www.cemanifarms.com/2013/09/standard-of-ayam-cemani.html (p.s. I know they sell eggs on this website but don't be tempted, it's illegal)

The Dutch also have a standard, and it doesn't even call for a specific number of points, it just says "usually five":

http://www.ayamcemani.co.uk/dutch-breed-standard.html

If we ever get a real standard here in the US for these guys we're likely to base it off of these standards, so I think most breeders are using them to breed towards.

 

[RubyNala97]

Good thing she isn't on here, I woulda said I could've told you that to her!

I had my turner come unplugged once and didn't know it until lockdown... not a single one of those hatched even though they all developed just fine... they get stuck to the inside of the shell in one spot... :/

Yeah, after I sent the eggs and gave her the tracking # (I knew they were going on a really far journey so I took a lot of time packing them) she wrote me and said "I really, really want these eggs to hatch so I'm planning on not turning them at all". I read that and wanted to jump through the phone and talk sense into her. So I wrote a nice but long message about why eggs (even shipped) need to be turned in order to hatch. We had been chatting back and forth for a couple weeks and she never wrote back after that. I think she didn't believe me until she actually tried it for herself.

I'm in Canada.  Stupid border police say no eggs for me!

You are just the person I need to talk to. I was just talking with another member here on byc that was interested in eggs from me. She's never done shipped and she lives in BC. She didn't know if eggs could go to Canada. So they can't, huh?? Even with an NPIP certificate?

 

[jenniferlamar70]

Don't think so... but Pyxis would know better than me... seems I have 2 cockerels with different number of points on each...

Oh I really hope it means something lmao.. otherwise I'm worried they may all be roosters...

It's just different genetics The Indonesian standard for these guys actually doesn't even have a set number of points they should have, it just calls for an odd number that's between 3 to 7 points. The Indonesian standard:

http://www.cemanifarms.com/2013/09/standard-of-ayam-cemani.html (p.s. I know they sell eggs on this website but don't be tempted, it's illegal)

The Dutch also have a standard, and it doesn't even call for a specific number of points, it just says "usually five":

http://www.ayamcemani.co.uk/dutch-breed-standard.html

If we ever get a real standard here in the US for these guys we're likely to base it off of these standards, so I think most breeders are using them to breed towards.

Lol ok thanks for the info. I guess it's just wishful thinking. I really want a girl. I've got so many roos it's not even funny. Right now all the cemanis combs are looking the same size. Praying that doesn't mean they are all roosters.

 

[jenniferlamar70]

Ugh so the little chick with the bum leg and poop problems doesn't seen to be improving even though I've seen it poop. I don't think it's moving enough and the hard spot seems to be getting bigger. It runs around and it doesn't seem to chirp alot but I just don't think it's going to get better. I called my girlfriend and she is going to come get it Thursday and put it down for me. She is able to decapitate it which I think is quicker. I really wanted it to pull through...

 

[ShanandGem]

You are just the person I need to talk to. I was just talking with another member here on byc that was interested in eggs from me. She's never done shipped and she lives in BC. She didn't know if eggs could go to Canada. So they can't, huh?? Even with an NPIP certificate?

I have done a little research, and anything that crosses the border must spend 30 days in quarantine. For a live chicken of course that is not an issue as they are housed and fed but hatching eggs would be worthless. That's why people who are hard core breeders bring in adult birds.

ETA: I have even considered bringing hatching eggs back and pretending they are just eating eggs, but it's one of the things Agriculture Canada won't allow across the border, along with fresh produce.

 

[Ravynscroft]

Yeah, after I sent the eggs and gave her the tracking # (I knew they were going on a really far journey so I took a lot of time packing them) she wrote me and said "I really, really want these eggs to hatch so I'm planning on not turning them at all". I read that and wanted to jump through the phone and talk sense into her. So I wrote a nice but long message about why eggs (even shipped) need to be turned in order to hatch. We had been chatting back and forth for a couple weeks and she never wrote back after that. I think she didn't believe me until she actually tried it for herself.
You are just the person I need to talk to. I was just talking with another member here on byc that was interested in eggs from me. She's never done shipped and she lives in BC. She didn't know if eggs could go to Canada. So they can't, huh?? Even with an NPIP certificate?

I have done a little research, and anything that crosses the border must spend 30 days in quarantine.  For a live chicken of course that is not an issue as they are housed and fed but hatching eggs would be worthless.  That's why people who are hard core breeders bring in adult birds.

ETA: I have even considered bringing hatching eggs back and pretending they are just eating eggs, but it's one of the things Agriculture Canada won't allow across the border, along with fresh produce.

Actually, you can send eggs across the border... and not have to sit through 30 day quarantine... a friend was going to send Ancona eggs to another friend across the border so they checked it all out... there's a form, I think it's a USDA one but not sure, that has to be filled out and a state licensed vet has to run tests on your flock and sign off on the paperwork for clearance across the border... has to be done right before shipping the eggs out within X number if days, can't remember how many though...