Hatching Eggs / Paypal CHAT Thread

[madamwlf]

lke with the chocolate orps crossing Jordan farms stock with GFF stock would be a good thing

Exactly. Jordan Farms imported their own bantam orps and crossing those with GFF would be perfect. unrelated genes.

 

[tdhenson86]

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Yes! That is the ideal for sure!

 

[madamwlf]

This is true, but again, if you only get eggs from 1 person, you are getting all your chicks from the same father and a few mothers. If you get them from 2 people on here, the fathers and mothers are different birds. So, if you only get them from 1 source, you are literally breeding a brother to his sisters. If you get them from 2 sources, you are breeding a slightly less related rooster to all sisters. Does that make sense? They are not completely unrelated, just less related.

No, don't really get it at all. They all still carry the same genes so I don't see how it makes a difference. They all still came from the same mother and father. Look at the partridge barts now. They have a trio. So any birds coming from that trio now will be closely related no matter where they go in the country and how many different people you get yours from, they all still came from 2 hens and a rooster.

 

[madamwlf]

Now, the black barts would be a different story. We know of only 2 people who have unrelated breeders: GFF and I. So if you were to get chicks from them and from me you would have different gene pools from 2 different roosters.

 

[wife2abirdman]

I have a question for y'all. As a rule, I have never added anything but day old chicks to my flock for biosecurity reasons. But, I have an opportunity to pick up three RB hens from the breeder I got mine from for a good price. When you do isolation how far away do you keep the newcomers from the others? How do you work isolation? When/how would you put them with my Tom?

I personaly do not have quite enough space to put chciks far away from each other, but I did work at a farm which had a really nice setup for quarantine. They had a kitty litter pan full of disinfectant that we would soak our shoes in every time we went in or out and we would change when dirty. Plus it was a closed seperate building as everyone else. Granted we are talking goats, for the chickens they were all in cages anyway and we would just put in cages on the other side of the room. Check for mites/lice when they first come in, I learned my lesson the hard way.

Quote: I never thought of misting them. Since my puppy chewed the end of the sprayer I have to get a new one. I will have to now wait there is another egg that pipped but the one form last night has still not hatched. The hole is bigger but not by much. At what point- how many hours- should I intervene on the hatching? At 4 pm this afternoon it will be 24 hrs that the egg has been trying to hatch since it first pipped. It is still breathing but not sure of this whole thing.

 

[tdhenson86]

Now, the black barts would be a different story. We know of only 2 people who have unrelated breeders: GFF and I. So if you were to get chicks from them and from me you would have different gene pools from 2 different roosters.

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Agreed. It does depend on what breed you are getting. Most of the breeds that I would have access to have more than 3 birds that are the parent stock. I don't have access to Partridge Barths, so you are right in assuming that they are very interrelated. However, the other breeds that are more widely circulated have a little bit more genetic diversity. Yes. All Partridge Barths will be related. You cannot get around that one. But, not all CCLs, Rhodebars, etc. are that closely related. They might be related, but there is a better chance that the birds will be slightly less related to one another if I get them from 2 people rather than breeding known brothers to known sisters who share the same parents. Again, this does depend on the breed, but for many of us, we don't have access to the breeds that would be the most inbred since they are still quite rare and difficult to obtain.

 

[madamwlf]

Agreed. It does depend on what breed you are getting. Most of the breeds that I would have access to have more than 3 birds that are the parent stock. I don't have access to Partridge Barths, so you are right in assuming that they are very interrelated. However, the other breeds that are more widely circulated have a little bit more genetic diversity. Yes. All Partridge Barths will be related. You cannot get around that one. But, not all CCLs, Rhodebars, etc. are that closely related. They might be related, but there is a better chance that the birds will be slightly less related to one another if I get them from 2 people rather than breeding known brothers to known sisters who share the same parents. Again, this does depend on the breed, but for many of us, we don't have access to the breeds that would be the most inbred since they are still quite rare and difficult to obtain.

The difference with those breeds is that someone else has imported them. So it would be easy to get CCL from GFF and Jordan Farms and have unrelated birds. Jordan Farms imported their own as well. Or if you can sweet talk Jenny into getting some of their new line. Again, new genes.

 

[pysankigirl]

Exactly. Jordan Farms imported their own bantam orps and crossing those with GFF would be perfect. unrelated genes.

Yay!!!! I am getting some Bantam Orps from you and you got yours from Jordan? I also have 3 (suspect males) from Rachael that I think maybe came from GFF? (Rachael- is this true or did you get yours from Madamwolf?)

 

[madamwlf]

Yay!!!! I am getting some from you and you got yours from them?

Mine came from Jordan Farms. I don't think I've seen a more beautiful round bowling ball of a rooster then my boy. Love him to pieces.

 

[Hollowoakfarm]

On the quarantine topic...I just set up a quarantine house that I'm fairly pleased with. It's a small (8 x 10) goat shed we built years ago. It's in a pasture the hoof stock uses, but no chickens or turkeys. Hubby built a door for the entire front, and we hung cages inside. I got cheap slip-on plastic Croc knock-offs for each of us, and they are right inside the door. I kick off my shoes outside, and slip those on when I'm stepping inside. I have a lab coat in there to put on. I need to add gloves, but haven't yet. Buckets of feed and jugs of water are there, as we don't have water to that little building. Nor do I have electricity, so I wouldn't do much, if any, winter quarantine. I also can't do chicks there. I set it up mostly to have a place to quarantine birds returning from shows. Currently it's occupied by kraftyladies roo that's on this side route of the Chicken Train, plus a lady friend he got after discussion with krafty.

If I was bringing in adult birds, I'd keep them there for at least 30 days, and I'd add one of my flock to them as a test of carrier status. With my MG outbreak last fall, it could easily have come in on birds that were quarantined, but carriers, so now I will test for that by using one of my "expendable" birds. The girl in with the roo is the only one of her breed left after the fox attack.

In class right now we are going over genetics. I never realized until today that the picture of a chicken in their text for the discussion on Z/W versus X/Y is a Cream Crested Legbar! The text is only a year old, but still. Totally took me by surprise when I focused on it as a chicken today, rather than an example of something.