Help, 6 week olds dying from cocci!! Trying to cure them... can this spread to my 11 week old chicke

[speckledhen]

I don't know why the vet would say only half the amount we usually give chickens, but I've always given them 9-10 cc/ml per gallon for 5 days. If they are dying, you must hit them hard. Amprolium is not an antibiotic so it won't harm them. The preventative in medicated feed is amprolium and the treatment for cocci is the same med at a higher dosage for treatment. It's just a thiamine blocker. If you dose too low and they're already dying, it won't do them any good, IMO.

 

[lsg1007]

The dosing of corid is actually weight dependent. However, what I have seen "officially" recommended for chickens is 4ml/galx5days. That said, I have seen other recs to give 2tsp (=10ml)/gal x 2 days, then decrease to 1tsp (=5ml)/gal x the remaining 3 days. Corid mechanism of action (way it works) competitively inhibits the active transport of thiamine. The coccidia is much more sensitive to this inhibition that the chick is, but if you gave too much corid, if it is absorbed from the intestine, you could affect the transport of thiamine in the chick as well (although I suspect 2 tsp briefly isn't that much, I just don't know what too much is). If you google symptoms of thiamine deficiency (although it would give you those for humans) you can see all the bad things that could happen with a lack of thiamine. I would also recommend feeding them yogurt mixed with their medicated feed. Here is a link on med dosing. Good luck, I hope it isn't too late. PS. I think I got my Corid from Jeffers on line.

http://fowlfacts.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=medshhh&action=display&thread=152

 

[shelley31904]

I would like to say that there are differing opinions and I welcome all of them when I have something sick. I know a lot of vets don't treat backyard chickens. That said my girlfriend (my vet) does small animals only and knows nothing about chickens other than what we find out of avian medical books, the people on this website, and the poultry vets at UGA. I definitely defer to those with experience in small flocks. Good luck with your babies, op! I lost 1 out of 4 to coccidea.

 

[4theFowl]

I lost 17 outta 26. I know what ur goin through. That was last month, this week an attackd hurt rooster. Always somn. Corid is bettern sulmet though. Im treatn all my new chicks befor they get it. What I wander is if u can treat em too young with corid to prevent the new ones from gettn it?

 

[munchky]

I know what your going through.....back in january when i got three new chickens two of them got it. The one that was then 10 weeks and one that was 11 or 12 weeks. Straight away i food processed a heap of garlic, collards and comfrey and parsley too i think and mixed this in with their wheat mash ( so it was very green) and didn't give them access to other food beside the grass and insects inside a movable pen. I also cuddled them and sang them songs (good little chicken, happy little chicken, healthy little chicken etc) i think they missed their brothers and sisters and mum because the other chickens didn't get it. I also feed the other chickens more greens and garlic in their mash. I hope this helps. apparently sulfur works too. I just figured garlic and collards are very high in sulfur and they were in my garden. I don't use feed with antibiotics either.

 

[chem]

I also cuddled them and sang them songs (good little chicken, happy little chicken, healthy little chicken etc) i think they missed their brothers and sisters and mum because the other chickens didn't get it.

this made me chuckle
i always hold my babies (big and small) and sing songs to them exactly like the ones you sing lol


thank you all for your support. i just woke up and i am about to go check on the last remaining baby chick. i am crossing my fingers... basically i am trying to keep it alive until the meds arrive. i ordered them yesterday but it is the weekend so i am a little depressed. there are many things i would change if i could turn back time. but i know raising chickens is a learning process. sometimes you get hit hard while learning valuable lessons. i will be prepared next time thats for sure! i do not want this to EVER happen again. my big chickens still seem to be doing 100%! probably because they built up a tolerance i am assume. i will still be treating them when the meds arrive however. you can never be too sure and i would rather not risk my older flock. they are my first! i raised those babies from day one and they are 11 weeks now. they love me so much and i dont want to ever let them down. i will protect them in any way possible. they are my children after all

given the area i live in you would think finding a local shop that carries corid wouldnt be hard. i called so many places yesterday and no one could help me. its kinda heartbreaking. i know my last remaining little baby has cocci and i have no meds all i can do is hope and pray she hangs on til the meds arrive. from what speckled told me the bottle i ordered should last me a good while just incase i run into this problem again. however i do believe in my heart that i caused this problem un-knowingly. just because i raised my first flock without issue i thought i was good to raise the second flock. little did i know its probably because of my first flock that these babies developed cocci! when i put the babies out into their own private coop/run that i built (located a foot away from my main flocks coop/run) it never dawned on me that my larger chickens probably pooped in the new coop/run as i was building it. the older flock gets free roam of my back yard and while i was building this coop/run my biggens would run in and out of the structure. sometimes they would nap inside of it. i should have done my research or homework better. because of my lack of knowledge i honestly believe i caused this
this is a horrible way to learn a lesson but one that will stick with me for life!

thank you all for your support. please cross your fingers that my last remaining chick is still alive. im about to go check on her. if only she can just hold on til the meds arrive.....

 

[dawg53]

You couldve ordered from Jefferslivestock.com
They are out of Dothan, Ala and couldve had your corid to you in less than 2 days, they ship quickly. Most of the time I order from Jeffers and get products the same day. Speckledhen is absolutely correct about the dosage.
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/corid-oral-solution/camid/LIV/cp/0027132/
I hope your chick pulls through. In the meantime you can get some powdered milk and sprinkle it over her feed to eat. This will slow down the effects of cocci until your corid arrives. Hopefully she's still eating.

 

[chem]

You couldve ordered from Jefferslivestock.com
They are out of Dothan, Ala and couldve had your corid to you in less than 2 days, they ship quickly. Most of the time I order from Jeffers and get products the same day. Speckledhen is absolutely correct about the dosage.
http://www.jefferslivestock.com/corid-oral-solution/camid/LIV/cp/0027132/
I hope your chick pulls through. In the meantime you can get some powdered milk and sprinkle it over her feed to eat. This will slow down the effects of cocci until your corid arrives. Hopefully she's still eating.

ok i am bookmarking the page, thank you!
as soon as the store opens i will go to the market and get some powdered milk. she eats a little bit but she is more apt to drink. is it alright to sprinkle some in her water bowl? i just checked on her and she is still hanging in there. i noticed a poop that wasnt so bloody. just a little bit of blood in it from over the night. she really is a fighter! i am just praying and crossing my fingers. i also posted in the florida section here to see if anyone has a little bit of corid i can purchase from them to tide me over til mine gets here. right about now i will go anywhere to the meds she needs. thank you so much for your input!

 

[dawg53]

ok i am bookmarking the page, thank you!
as soon as the store opens i will go to the market and get some powdered milk. she eats a little bit but she is more apt to drink. is it alright to sprinkle some in her water bowl? i just checked on her and she is still hanging in there. i noticed a poop that wasnt so bloody. just a little bit of blood in it from over the night. she really is a fighter! i am just praying and crossing my fingers. i also posted in the florida section here to see if anyone has a little bit of corid i can purchase from them to tide me over til mine gets here. right about now i will go anywhere to the meds she needs. thank you so much for your input!

You have to put it in the feed, she must eat it from her feed to be effective. BTW, try your local feed stores, corid can be found in the cattle section. Too bad we dont live closer, I'd give you mine.

 

[speckledhen]

chem, sorry I had to quit yesterday. I have issues with carpal tunnel so some days, it's hard to keep on typing.

Thiamine deficiency is not an issue, or shouldn't be, if you dose Corid for the 5 days-you certainly don't want to keep them on it indefinitely or you would have an issue. I've never lost one single chick to cocci and trust me, I've had plenty of batches we had to treat for it. The oocysts are rampant in our soil.

Later on, I got wiser and started putting soil in the brooder the first week of life for them to play in, much like a chick with a mama hen would do. Broody-raised babies just don't seem to ever had issues with cocci like brooder raised chicks who are dumped on soil at 4-6 weeks of age.

I agree on the plain yogurt for probiotics to soothe the intestines and replace good gut bacteria. And also, I've been known to add nonfat powdered milk to the starter crumble at times when a batch was being treated for cocci, an old remedy.