Help find what is wrong with pea suddenly watery white stool & not energetic.

[Yoda]

Well, I'm not a vet and I never told anyone to use Baytril. All I do is to recount my own experiences.

Our bird vet is a bird specialist who has spent decades treating all kinds of birds including poultry - she has chickens herself.
If she prescribed Baytril it was because she thought it was appropriate for the situation.
If someone else's bird vet has another opinion, that is certainly their prerogative.
We are certainly not strangers to differing opinions here in the pea forum, are we?

I am not saying you did. I am asking you a question. I am not trying to step on your toes just commenting on what was said " FWIW: Experienced bird vets don't avoid Baytril for peas. Our fabulous bird vet had me give Peggy Baytril when he had bad pneumonia, and recently she gave Squeaky a shot of Baytril when the amoxicillin wasn't working." When I removed the Cysts from the peas I always give a shot of Baytril to them and the next day give them some yogurt. I am not saying your Vet is right or wrong I was saying she did it as a last resort because she tried the Amoxicillin first, just like I told the person who's birds had a respiratory infection. One was not getting better and I told him when he first started with the Tylan 200 to order a bottle of Baytril "just in case" granted when he finally got the baytril in the mail the bird started reacting to the Tylan but it took longer. I am not saying not to use the baytril I am saying use something not as strong first and save the baytril for a rainy day. One day Kathy is going to give her bird a shot of Baytril and it will not work cause the bacteria grew a resistance to it.

 

[Yoda]

Most of us do not have an avian vet close enough to go to and have a bird treated so we rely on the net for the info we can get to treat out birds, i am sure many of us would much rather take our birds to the vet , there just isn't one to go to.

That is why my bird Vet stated "experience is the best dosage" for keeping healthy birds. Many older breeders have benn using the dose amounts of the common medicine used in peafowl and she said when a Vet is not available go with experienced breeders cause it works on their birds.

 

[casportpony]

I am not saying you did. I am asking you a question. I am not trying to step on your toes just commenting on what was said " FWIW: Experienced bird vets don't avoid Baytril for peas. Our fabulous bird vet had me give Peggy Baytril when he had bad pneumonia, and recently she gave Squeaky a shot of Baytril when the amoxicillin wasn't working." When I removed the Cysts from the peas I always give a shot of Baytril to them and the next day give them some yogurt. I am not saying your Vet is right or wrong I was saying she did it as a last resort because she tried the Amoxicillin first, just like I told the person who's birds had a respiratory infection. One was not getting better and I told him when he first started with the Tylan 200 to order a bottle of Baytril "just in case" granted when he finally got the baytril in the mail the bird started reacting to the Tylan but it took longer. I am not saying not to use the baytril I am saying use something not as strong first and save the baytril for a rainy day. One day Kathy is going to give her bird a shot of Baytril and it will not work cause the bacteria grew a resistance to it.

I doubt it, it's not like I use it for every sick bird.

-Kathy

 

[zazouse]

Yoda i believe the vet gave her bird amoxcillin first because of the internal laying issue for infection.

 

[Pavomuticus]

Hi
Yes I have peafowl, somewhat in excess of 250 at the moment, soon with luck to be over a thousand with breeding season starting, do you have idea of the quantity of drug I would need to treat that amount of birds? and the trouble I would be in if I was found to have the that quantity on my premises? Prevention with bio-security, worming and a lot of praying are used every day, along with the hope that the government will see sense and allow these drugs to be licensed and used again. Until then if anyone could advise as to a legally available blackhead treatment that could be bought in large quantity's, I would love to hear about it as I could sleep a lot easier at night.........

As I said earlier I'm not against these drugs, I would love to be free to use them, its the fact they are illegal that is so scary....... if anything the more birds you have the worst it gets, more to go wrong, more to lose and if I was to break the law the higher the chances of been caught and the stiffer the penalty!

 

[casportpony]

 
Most of us do not have an avian vet close enough to go to and have a bird treated so we rely on the net for the info we can get to treat out birds, i am sure many of us would much rather take our birds to the vet , there just isn't one to go to.

That is why my bird Vet stated "experience is the best dosage" for keeping healthy birds. Many older breeders have benn using the dose amounts of the common medicine used in peafowl and she said when a Vet is not available go with experienced breeders cause it works on their birds.

Did you know that some experienced breeders have incorrect dosing information on their websites and often I see people recommending those doses here? This is one of the reasons that I bought the books and figured out how to weigh and calculate doses.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Hi
Yes I have peafowl, somewhat in excess of 250 at the moment, soon with luck to be over a thousand with breeding season starting, do you have idea of the quantity of drug I would need to treat that amount of birds? and the trouble I would be in if I was found to have the that quantity on my premises? Prevention with bio-security, worming and a lot of praying are used every day, along with the hope that the government will see sense and allow these drugs to be licensed and used again. Until then if anyone could advise as to a legally available blackhead treatment that could be bought in large quantity's, I would love to hear about it as I could sleep a lot easier at night.........

As I said earlier I'm not against these drugs, I would love to be free to use them, its the fact they are illegal that is so scary....... if anything the more birds you have the worst it gets, more to go wrong, more to lose and if I was to break the law the higher the chances of been caught and the stiffer the penalty! 

Can you get Histostat-50 in the UK? That won't cure it, but it might prevent it.

-Kathy

 

[zazouse]

Hi
Yes I have peafowl, somewhat in excess of 250 at the moment, soon with luck to be over a thousand with breeding season starting, do you have idea of the quantity of drug I would need to treat that amount of birds? and the trouble I would be in if I was found to have the that quantity on my premises? Prevention with bio-security, worming and a lot of praying are used every day, along with the hope that the government will see sense and allow these drugs to be licensed and used again. Until then if anyone could advise as to a legally available blackhead treatment that could be bought in large quantity's, I would love to hear about it as I could sleep a lot easier at night.........

As I said earlier I'm not against these drugs, I would love to be free to use them, its the fact they are illegal that is so scary....... if anything the more birds you have the worst it gets, more to go wrong, more to lose and if I was to break the law the higher the chances of been caught and the stiffer the penalty!

What country are you from?

 

[Pavomuticus]

In the UK i'm not aware of any commercial feed additive for the control of Blackhead, you hear of black market Emtryl but as I say severe punishments if its in your possession plus how do you know it is genuine if its illegal? You could be creeping around scared as you fed black market baking soda to birds ......

 

[casportpony]

http://www.drugs.com/vet/histostat-50.html

Histostat 50

This page contains information on Histostat 50 for veterinary use.
The information provided typically includes the following:

• Histostat 50 Indications
• Warnings and cautions for Histostat 50
• Direction and dosage information for Histostat 50

Histostat 50

This treatment applies to the following species:

• Chickens
• Turkeys

Manufacturer: Zoetis
Nitarsone
Type A Medicated Article
An aid in the prevention of blackhead in turkeys and chickens
Must be mixed thoroughly in feed before use
Active Ingredient

Nitarsone (4-nitrophenylarsonic acid)

50%​

(equivalent to 226.8 grams nitarsone per pound of product)
in a carrier suitable for incorporation in feed.
Dosages And Directions

Turkeys:
Mix in feed so that 2,000 lbs (909 kg) of complete ration contain 12 oz. (340.2 g) of Histostat 50 equivalent to 0.01875% nitarsone. Start Histostat 50 medication depending on such factors as record of blackhead occurrence on the farm or in the area; climate and weather; and soil or litter condition. Continue as long as prevention is desired.
Chickens:
Mix in feed so that 2,000 lbs (909 kg) of complete ration contain 12 oz. (340.2 g) of Histostat 50 equivalent to 0.01875% nitarsone. Give continuously for at least 3 weeks during periods of stress. Long-term medication is not necessary for chickens because of their natural resistance except at times of undue stress. Reduced feed consumption, onset of production, and errors in management may produce stresses which lower the resistance of chickens to blackhead.
Mixing directions:
To secure an even distribution, mix Histostat 50 with a small amount of feed ingredients, then add the remainder of the ingredients and mix thoroughly.
Precautions

Early medication is essential to prevent spread of the disease. Adequate drinking water must be provided near feeders at all times. The drug is not effective in preventing blackhead in birds infected more than 4 or 5 days. Symptoms of blackhead do not appear until 10 to 15 days after birds become infected.
Histostat 50 Caution

Use as the sole source of arsenic.

Warning

Keep out of reach of children. Overdosage or lack of water may result in leg weakness or paralysis. Discontinue use 5 days before slaughtering for human consumption to allow for elimination of the drug from edible tissue. In mixing, avoid inhaling dust. Avoid contact of product with skin, eyes and clothing. Wash thoroughly after handling. Dangerous for ducks, geese and dogs.

Poison
Arsenic
Antidote

If swallowed, call a physician, poison control center, or hospital immediately. Induce vomiting by giving Ipecac Syrup as directed.
Restricted Drug (California) - Use only as directed. Not for human use.
NADA 7-616, Approved by FDA
Marketed by Alpharma Inc., Bridgewater, New Jersey 08807
Trademarks registered by Alpharma Inc.

Net wt



50 LB (22.68 kg)

560310 0908​

NAC No.: 10220405
ZOETIS INC.
333 PORTAGE STREET, KALAMAZOO, MI, 49007

Telephone: 269-833-4000
Customer Service: 800-733-5500 and 800-793-0596
Veterinary Medical Investigations & Product Support: 800-366-5288
Technical Services (USA): 800-366-5288
Website: www.zoetis.com

Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the Histostat 50 information published above. However, it remains the responsibility of the readers to familiarize themselves with the product information contained on the US product label or package insert.
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