Help find what is wrong with pea suddenly watery white stool & not energetic.

[Tootsie]

Here are 2 pictures of the stool he happened to do about an hour ago which are only a few inches wide if that. I noticed today Peatree my 1 1/2 year old peacock laying around as opposed to flying around or being his nosey self. I hear an occasional noise like he may have a little congestion. I can look up his worming schedule but wanted to get this up right away.

 

[Pavomuticus]

Last hopefully helpful comment.....always remember KISS (keep it simple, stupid) . Unless you have a history of a specific disease, you should not expect that disease. Most new diseases come in with new stock and even then expect the common diseases first~~for example Colibacillosis is one of the most common bacterial problems in poultry production. Also numbers of birds effected, if everything looks ill its a disease, or a major problem, one bird is generally something else (I've seen birds with cancerous tumours, swallowed nails, impacted crops and gizzards, leaky heart valves and undersized hearts ) none of which are contagious or curable with any type of antibiotic. And the thing they virtually all had in common? like every ill bird they look miserable, stood quietly hunched up and had small watery white poos.

Birds are hard to diagnosis with a specific illness, all you can do is try to keep them alive and give a general antibiotic. It generally comes down to cost, working with a vet you can generally find the problem but at a cost. All we can do on here is point you in the general direction of problems and their solutions, that we have experienced ourselves in the past . But it all needs to be taken with a pinch of salt because we are wrong more often that right........ many birds live in spite of, rather than due to our treatments.

 

[new 2 pfowl]

FWIW:
Experienced bird vets don't avoid Baytril for peas.
Our fabulous bird vet had me give Peggy Baytril when he had bad pneumonia, and recently she gave Squeaky a shot of Baytril when the amoxicillin wasn't working.

 

[Pavomuticus]

I get the impression you are thinking I'm against the use of these drugs, I'm not. They are wonderfully effective drugs, which can help save your birds life. I'm just highlighting the legal issues with them, especially if you intend to treat birds and sell them on, as far as I'm concerned what you do with your birds should be your prerogative. The amount of illegal use of these drugs in the commercial poultry sector www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120405131431.htm is beyond belief and makes you wonder why you should even bother, we are a drop in the ocean compared to some individuals within the commercial sector.

Still the two drugs Baytril and metronidazole really should be used in close consultation with a vet, ideally under vet prescription, to ensure they are used correctly and appropriately.

 

[new 2 pfowl]

Well, I'm not a vet and I never told anyone to use Baytril. All I do is to recount my own experiences.

Our bird vet is a bird specialist who has spent decades treating all kinds of birds including poultry - she has chickens herself.
If she prescribed Baytril it was because she thought it was appropriate for the situation.
If someone else's bird vet has another opinion, that is certainly their prerogative.
We are certainly not strangers to differing opinions here in the pea forum, are we?

 

[casportpony]

your books do NOT give you the dose they give you a RANGE of dosage. You are not a Vet and you too are not giving the proper dose

Chill... The dose advice I have given is way more correct than *some* of the stuff I've seen on websites and on BYC. It's up to people reading to take what I have posted and figure out what *they* think is correct by working with a vet and/or doing their own research. With this information I'm able to safely dose *very* small birds.

Put all the info from the books together and the what you see *is* a range. Take that, advice from a vet, other literature, what other people have been prescribed for the *same* illness and figure it out.

I just am tired of people saying that a large male gets the same amount medication as a small female, it just isn't true. A small female weighs ~3kg and a large male weighs ~6kg, right? If they're sick, they might weigh half that.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

FYI, I'm not a vet, neither are you, right? So why are you allowed to give doses, but give me grief for doing the same?

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Yoda wrote: "You are telling everyone to give 3/4 teaspoon of corid when it's suppose to be 1 teaspoon per gallon."

Wrong! Just do the math, you'll see.

The preventative dose (.006%) for Corid Powder is 1/3 teaspoon (1.134 grams).
The preventative dose (.006%) for Corid liquid is 1/2 teaspoon.

The moderate outbreak dose (.012%) for Corid Powder is 3/4 teaspoon (2.268 grams).
The moderate outbreak dose (.012%) for Corid liquid is 1 teaspoon.

The severe outbreak dose (.024%) for Corid Powder is 1.5 teaspoons (4.536 grams)
The severe outbreak dose (.024%) for Corid liquid is 2 teaspoon.

I have spoken with the mfg of Corid and Amprol, the doses above are correct.


Amount of Amprolium (Corid or Amprol) powder per 1/4 teaspoon

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• One 1/4 teaspoon = 135 mg
• 1/2 teaspoon = 270 mg
• 3/4 teaspoon =405 mg
• 1 teaspoon = 540 mg
• 1 & 1/4 teaspoons = 675 mg
• 1 & 1/2 teaspoons = 810 mg
• 1 & 3/4 teaspoons = 945 mg
• 2 teaspoons= 1080 mg

Amount of Amprolium (Corid or Amprol) liquid per 1/4 teaspoon

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• One 1/4 teaspoon = 120 mg
• 1/2 teaspoon = 240 mg
• 3/4 teaspoons = 360 mg
• 1 teaspoon = 480 mg
• 1 & 1/4 teaspoons = 600 mg
• 1 & 1/2 teaspoons = 720 mg
• 1 & 3/4 teaspoons = 840
• 2 teaspoons = 960 mg

There are 4.92892ml/teaspoon, but the numbers above were calculated using 5ml/teaspoon

Here is what's in 1-10ml of the liquid

• 1ml = 96mg
• 2ml = 192mg
• 3ml = 288mg
• 4ml = 384mg
• 5ml = 480mg
• 6ml = 576mg
• 7ml = 672mg
• 8ml = 768mg
• 9ml = 864mg
• 10ml = 960mg

1/2 teaspoon of 20% powder = 2.8125ml of 9.6% liquid - Both have 270mg of amprolium.
3/4 teaspoon of 20% powder = 4.21875ml of 9.6% liquid - Both have 405mg of amprolium.
1 teaspoon of 20% powder = 5.625ml of 9.6% liquid - Both have 540mg of amprolium.
1.5 teaspoons of 20% powder =8.4375ml of 9.6% liquid - Both have 810mg of amprolium.
1.75 teaspoons of 20% powder = 9.84375ml of 9.6% liquid - Both have 945mg of amprolium.
2 teaspoons of 20% powder = 11.25ml of 9.6% liquid - Both have 1080mg of amprolium.

FDA recommendations:
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/animaldrugsatfda/details.cfm?dn=013-149
"Chickens
Indications: For the treatment of coccidiosis.
Amount: Administer at the 0.012 percent level in drinking water as soon as coccidiosis is diagnosed and continue for 3 to 5 days (in severe outbreaks, give amprolium at the 0.024 percent level); continue with 0.006 percent amprolium-medicated water for an additional 1 to 2 weeks."

And this link has these instructions:
http://www.drugs.com/vet/amprol-9-6-solution-can.html
"Poultry - as Soon As Caecal Coccidiosis Is Diagnosed, Give 0.024% Amprolium In The Drinking Water For 5 To 7 Days. Continue The Treatment With 0.006% Amprolium Medicated Water For An Additional One To Two Weeks. No Other Source Of Drinking Water Should Be Available To The Birds During This Time."

 

[zazouse]

That makes no sense at all, lol.

-Kathy

all vet rex is campho , some oils and mabe some alcohol at least that is what it smells and felt like when i had it here

 

[new 2 pfowl]

WHAT? who told you that? everyone has something to offer here and if we can't agree to disagree and learn from each other then i am afriad i don't belong here , so if you can't post neither can i

You are so right in spirit, Zaz! Of course everyone can post here (especially you), and differing ideas help us all learn. I don't know anything about this particular situation. I have noticed, however, that some people don't seem to be able to agree to disagree, and they get a bit overheated!

Did someone ask you not to quote them?
Or, was it a moderator for some reason?

*eta
And, unless it was a moderator and you're violating BYC rules in some way, I imagine that nobody can really tell you not to post on any topic.