HELP! Last chance trying to treat my sick goose.

[Goose in the snake room]

Forgive me for the scattered timeline, my brain is not thinking straight at the moment.
My goose is 2 months old and 4 days ago starting showing symptoms.
On the first day she isolated herself and was breathing through her mouth in the heat. I immediately brought her inside for monitoring.
On the second day I noticed her whole body was shaking. Her pulse was very strong and I could feel it from just touching her back or stomach.
Not long after I noticed her feet and beak were always cold, her balance was poor, and she was closing her eyes frequently. She would just stand for long periods of time because it was easier for her to breathe.
Her stool was liquid and green with small bits of feces.
My other goose has symptoms of a respiratory infection but no issues eating, and no abnormal bowel movements.
I figured she had some kind of digestive obstruction on top of a respiratory infection.

She lost her appetite on day 3 but still drinks water.
I was hopeful the tylan was working but it seems it isn’t. Today I noticed foam on the sides of her beak and drooling
On day 2 I began treating with tylan, and it has now been 3 days since starting and no improvement. I’m starting to suspect aspergillosis. I’ve read there’s not much treatment options for this and I have no idea what to do.
Her bowel movements now are sometimes just clear liquid, and when it’s not, it’s just green liquid.
When I suspected a blockage, I tried coconut oil, I tried Dulcolax (stool softener, not laxative). I gave Nutridrench, offered more grit. I pulled every trick in the book I knew and still nothing.
I’m asking for help and I’m not even sure what advice I could receive.
How can I treat aspergillosis?
Could this be hardware disease?
Could I treat for both of these conditions?
Could this be a blockage? Her crop is empty, abdomen isn’t too soft, no discomfort when I feel her.
Her current condition is not well. She has a lot of saliva she’s been flicking off, she’s depressed and not reacting when I sit with her. She still has strength to stand, hasn’t lost too much weight but this isn’t giving me enough hope that I could do any kind of treatment in time. This all happened so quickly and I really thought I was doing everything I could. I’m so heartbroken

 

[Debbie292d]

Hi,
I am so sorry your goose is still sick.

Had you given it any of the medications you referenced in earlier threads? This is important to know for anyone trying to help you.

For reference, the other threads:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...f-water-soluble-tylosin-tylan-powder.1629880/

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...tory-infection-with-strange-symptoms.1629826/

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/giving-enrofloxacin-baytril-a-second-time.1629500/

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/help-correct-dosing-baytril-enrofloxacin.1625441/

 

[Goose in the snake room]

Hi,
I am so sorry your goose is still sick.

Had you given it any of the medications you referenced in earlier threads? This is important to know for anyone trying to help you.

For reference, the other threads:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...f-water-soluble-tylosin-tylan-powder.1629880/

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...tory-infection-with-strange-symptoms.1629826/

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/giving-enrofloxacin-baytril-a-second-time.1629500/

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/help-correct-dosing-baytril-enrofloxacin.1625441/

I initially gave Baytril a month ago to treat minor respiratory issues. I treated for the 5 days then stopped, the symptoms seemed to improve but never fully went away (one goose had a watery eye consistently but that was the only symptom).
My geese both still slept in my home in their brooder (I made it larger etc). They spent everyday from 7am to 9pm outside then would come inside at night. I would have noticed symptoms earlier if they were there.
Anyway, a few days ago one of my geese started open mouth breathing and isolating herself while outside.
I posted about treating with Baytril or tylan as I wasn’t sure if it was the same bacteria if it would be resistant to Baytril because I already treated them with that. So I opted for tylan, and I’m currently on day 3 of using.
Other than currently being on tylan and supplements mentioned the only other medication they were on was Baytril a month ago.

 

[Goose in the snake room]

All the symptoms she’s experiencing just seem strange to me. I don’t believe it’s only a respiratory issue, I do think there is also a digestive issue at play. My geese were hatched together and haven’t been apart since, and he (his names Noose) has only been experiencing respiratory. It’s night and day comparing their symptoms.
I thought about corridosis potentially being an issue but with it being as contagious as it is, and him not showing any symptoms I’m lead to believe it’s just her.
Also her tremors and body temperature seem odd and are not symptoms I’ve seen in relation.
I purchased f10 sc and a nebulizer that will be arriving tomorrow. Aspergillosis is the only thing I could imagine. Their symptoms got worse when treating with antibiotics.
Could this be hardware disease with the neurological symptoms?

 

[Debbie292d]

I initially gave Baytril a month ago to treat minor respiratory issues. I treated for the 5 days then stopped, the symptoms seemed to improve but never fully went away (one goose had a watery eye consistently but that was the only symptom).
My geese both still slept in my home in their brooder (I made it larger etc). They spent everyday from 7am to 9pm outside then would come inside at night. I would have noticed symptoms earlier if they were there.
Anyway, a few days ago one of my geese started open mouth breathing and isolating herself while outside.
I posted about treating with Baytril or tylan as I wasn’t sure if it was the same bacteria if it would be resistant to Baytril because I already treated them with that. So I opted for tylan, and I’m currently on day 3 of using.
Other than currently being on tylan and supplements mentioned the only other medication they were on was Baytril a month ago.

It should be administered for 5 days, so maybe there is still hope that will take care of what is wrong.

Probiotics would help most digestive issues, and should be given anytime after antibiotics or deworming meds are given. Ours get some every other day via fermented grains.

You mention hardware disease. Do you think she could have swallowed some metal? I remember reading other threads about giving peanut butter bread or sauerkraut. If you try canned sauerkraut, you might want to drain and rinse the salt out a little. If she will eat that, it's also high in probiotics so that may help in two ways.

 

[Goose in the snake room]

Also here’s photos of her stool. In their brooder they are kept on towels/hospital blankets, under the blankets are these pee pads, and under that is a shower curtain to keep my floors from getting wet. The blankets edges and corners are secured under a play pen, so they typically can’t get to the pee pads or shower curtain.
It has happened in the past that while I was sleeping, Noose would tug on the blanket so much that it has exposed a pee pad, and they haven nibbled them. I’ve seen the blue/teal plastic pass through Nooses stool normally, but now that Guilli’s (severely ill goose) stool is all bile and potentially blue plastic I feel like she might have an obstruction from eating it.
She’s been passing stool like this for days and I’ve been waiting on something larger to come out, but no luck.

 

[Goose in the snake room]

It should be administered for 5 days, so maybe there is still hope that will take care of what is wrong.

Probiotics would help most digestive issues, and should be given anytime after antibiotics or deworming meds are given. Ours get some every other day via fermented grains.

You mention hardware disease. Do you think she could have swallowed some metal? I remember reading other threads about giving peanut butter bread or sauerkraut. If you try canned sauerkraut, you might want to drain and rinse the salt out a little. If she will eat that, it's also high in probiotics so that may help in two ways.

She could have swallowed a staple from the fence. Maybe even a screw, but I’m really good about keeping up with keeping hardware out of the grass. I don’t fully suspect hardware disease but I’m not sure what else would cause her neurological issues other than a physical injury
I’ve read about the sauerkraut, but at this point she doesn’t have an appetite and also is not a fan of treats. She will only eat grass or flock raiser.
And I should have given them probiotics after the antibiotics, I know better than that but I guess it slipped my mind at the time.

 

[Goose in the snake room]

I’m going to be treating with a nebulizer and f10 sc today. I was doing some more research and saw some threads on pasteurella. If she had avian cholera the tylan would have treated it right?
There was no improvement and actually more symptoms appeared after starting tylan, so after 3 days I stopped using it. Should I have continued or started using an antibiotic more directed at avian cholera?
My other goose (who is also ill but not experiencing any digestive issues or severe symptoms) would have similar symptoms if it was avian cholera right?
It would make sense that it’s aspergillosis if the antibiotics didn’t help, but avian cholera has many of the same symptoms. That would explain her tremors, her bowels, and even some of the respiratory issues.
I really do believe she is dealing with multiple different things that could explain her symptoms. Like I said previously, I’m thinking it’s some kind of digestive blockage and respiratory (aspergillosis).

She’s not eating anymore, occasionally drinking. I put probiotics in her water and made her a soup of mushed flock raiser, some green bean baby food, and Nutridrench with lots of water.
I ordered a tube feeding kit that will be here tomorrow. I previously syringe fed her but she started shaking it all out.
When she eats very watered down foods, she can pass it in liquid form, just has a hard time with solid foods.She needs the nutrients if I want to see improvement from the nebulizer.
Would Corid hurt? I’m throwing everything I can at my baby and nothing is seeming to work.

On another note, I also have chickens that were kept near by while in the brooder. They would get outside time together and did spend a lot of time together. But my chickens have no issues at all. They were all together the day she started open mouth breathing, and every day before that. The chickens might’ve gotten lucky to not catch what the geese have, or it’s not something that’s highly contagious bird to bird.

 

[Goose in the snake room]

Gave the first nebulizer treatment tonight
She took it very well, well maybe mostly because she’s sick. Going to be doing another treatment at 4 am. And tomorrow I will be getting supplies for tube feeding.
In terms of the assumed blockage, I feel like my only options are to wait it out or get a CT scan and confirm if it needs to be manually removed. I can’t afford the cost of surgery and not even sure if I’d want to put my goose through that. I found an avian vet 2 hours away that is supposed to be really good, but an appointment alone is over 200$, then the blood work and scans and medications. I applied for several pet insurance credit cards and got declined on all.
Hopefully this nebulizer treatment improves her respiratory quality and I can focus on her digestive system. Every bowel movement she has has that pale teal plastic like material so im hoping it’s working itself out.
She doesn’t look like she’s lost much weight, and she’s not acting as weak as I would think considering her symptoms. She’s still having bowel movements, just spattered. The soup concoctions seem to be giving her some energy and she’s passing it fine.
I’ve read that the nebulizer treatment with f10 can also help bacterial respiratory infections so I’m really hopeful for this.
I’ll continue to post updates

 

[The Coop Crew]

I have no experience with geese but I’m rooting for you guys! Following along for updates