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Ok, People I am really tired, haven't had much sleep since this hatch started last Thursday night, for many different reasons.
I call them the Panda and the Dotted Whites as those are the names given by the scientists when discovering the mutations. They are also defining names of the caracteristics of the markings. This way I can keep this mutation straight in my mind. They are both the same mutation and became the English Whites - as I understand it. You all know that I am after the Dotted Whites that I saw in the Spring. So they are upper most in my mind, not the A&M Whites. Those are the A&M Jumbo Whites, you can't change their name unless you change them, then it becomes something new and can have a new name. The English Whites are small pharoah size birds. Keep that straight then there is less confusion. Just a suggestion.
Why am I back breeding? Several reasons. Because I know how to - for one. I see something in these birds that no one believes exists anymore. I have to find out which birds are in them, find out which are the important ones and which are the sports and bring them back forward to make sure it is not lost. I have to do it for me, my children, my grandchildren, etc. We know much more about these birds now than when the Jumbo's were first developed. Coturnix have not been in this country very long, as time goes. Knowledge can be passed around much faster now with the internet and websites like this one.
I am late to these birds but I don't for one minute believe the Texas A&M Jumbo Brown or Jumbo White are gone. It won't take much to bring them back at any rate. I don't know about the White but the Brown is maturing. Well, wait a minute if the Brown is than the White would also be. For those of you that are not breeders that means they are domesticating, stabilizing - the meat not the size. The size is up to you breeders. Obviously seeing my birds, you know that others are under development by other people. I have yet to start breeding any Coturnix. I believe this line of birds were inherited, in a way of speaking, and are Jumbos nothing more, but a new Jumbo.
For me, I have just been gathering the genetics that I am after. What I want is not what you want. I want a certain bird and I know that there is a very high rate of lethal genetics to deal with. Maybe higher than even I suspect. Very few people would have the patience for that. You like high hatch rates and large birds, and that is not going to happen with the birds that are important to me. But before I play with my little project. There is time to find out what happened with the Jumbos. This is what I do, see a problem, find an answer.
First I need a few questions answered. I am not familiar with all the different mutations and how they interact.
But I know there is only 1 wild Coturnix and it should mature at 6 weeks. No matter what size, mine do.
1. How many Jumbo Brown varieties were developed in America? Developed not bred. Because I only know of 1 but have read about 2 (paperwork from another country) and I am hearing about 2 from you people (but you are only refering to 1) and I saw 2 different Jumbo Brown's in my first hatch (You said it must be the sex identification coloring, but its not the same).
Yesterday, 2 of my 11 week old Jumbo Browns from the 2nd hatch layed their first eggs. I knew them for what they were but thought they were going to turn out to be males, and I was testing. They are 2 sports and will be processed now. You may know sports called by other names.
My definition of sports - Throw Backs, Regressives - not used for breeding because they inferfere with the continuation of the developed bird. Sports are not mutations - however they are used in developing new varieties of birds (and can be used to back breed). That is why I was after the white birds from these hatches (I want those sports for my project).
I started to learn to identify sports in chickens when I was around 3 years old. From my grandfather, he learned it from his father. Grandpa took me by the hand and showed me the difference in the birds, which pullets he was going to keep for breeders come winter, which pullets would be separated out and why, watch the breeder hens with their chicks, which chicks to watch as they grew. He never touched a bird, not once, and after that Dad started teaching me. This was almost 60 years ago. It was when he had the chickens moved to the strawberry patch to give them a treat (20 acres). They would spread out and the whole family would be there, collecting the pullets and separating them out as he walked the field with a child in tow pointing to them and signaling one direction or another. Afterr that the field would be ripped apart and the plants moved to another field. Its one of my first memories and this is what I think of when I think of strawberry fields, with chickens running around in them. That's when I started learning about sports and the breeding of chickens. Most importantly how to select, starting early.
SO:
I threw this out before as a statement and no one corrected me. I really want to know and those of you that have or want the Jumbo's and are breeding the ones developed need to know.
1. How many Jumbo Brown varieties were developed in the United States? Developed not later bred by breeders.
I call them the Panda and the Dotted Whites as those are the names given by the scientists when discovering the mutations. They are also defining names of the caracteristics of the markings. This way I can keep this mutation straight in my mind. They are both the same mutation and became the English Whites - as I understand it. You all know that I am after the Dotted Whites that I saw in the Spring. So they are upper most in my mind, not the A&M Whites. Those are the A&M Jumbo Whites, you can't change their name unless you change them, then it becomes something new and can have a new name. The English Whites are small pharoah size birds. Keep that straight then there is less confusion. Just a suggestion.
Why am I back breeding? Several reasons. Because I know how to - for one. I see something in these birds that no one believes exists anymore. I have to find out which birds are in them, find out which are the important ones and which are the sports and bring them back forward to make sure it is not lost. I have to do it for me, my children, my grandchildren, etc. We know much more about these birds now than when the Jumbo's were first developed. Coturnix have not been in this country very long, as time goes. Knowledge can be passed around much faster now with the internet and websites like this one.
I am late to these birds but I don't for one minute believe the Texas A&M Jumbo Brown or Jumbo White are gone. It won't take much to bring them back at any rate. I don't know about the White but the Brown is maturing. Well, wait a minute if the Brown is than the White would also be. For those of you that are not breeders that means they are domesticating, stabilizing - the meat not the size. The size is up to you breeders. Obviously seeing my birds, you know that others are under development by other people. I have yet to start breeding any Coturnix. I believe this line of birds were inherited, in a way of speaking, and are Jumbos nothing more, but a new Jumbo.
For me, I have just been gathering the genetics that I am after. What I want is not what you want. I want a certain bird and I know that there is a very high rate of lethal genetics to deal with. Maybe higher than even I suspect. Very few people would have the patience for that. You like high hatch rates and large birds, and that is not going to happen with the birds that are important to me. But before I play with my little project. There is time to find out what happened with the Jumbos. This is what I do, see a problem, find an answer.
First I need a few questions answered. I am not familiar with all the different mutations and how they interact.
But I know there is only 1 wild Coturnix and it should mature at 6 weeks. No matter what size, mine do.
1. How many Jumbo Brown varieties were developed in America? Developed not bred. Because I only know of 1 but have read about 2 (paperwork from another country) and I am hearing about 2 from you people (but you are only refering to 1) and I saw 2 different Jumbo Brown's in my first hatch (You said it must be the sex identification coloring, but its not the same).
Yesterday, 2 of my 11 week old Jumbo Browns from the 2nd hatch layed their first eggs. I knew them for what they were but thought they were going to turn out to be males, and I was testing. They are 2 sports and will be processed now. You may know sports called by other names.
My definition of sports - Throw Backs, Regressives - not used for breeding because they inferfere with the continuation of the developed bird. Sports are not mutations - however they are used in developing new varieties of birds (and can be used to back breed). That is why I was after the white birds from these hatches (I want those sports for my project).
I started to learn to identify sports in chickens when I was around 3 years old. From my grandfather, he learned it from his father. Grandpa took me by the hand and showed me the difference in the birds, which pullets he was going to keep for breeders come winter, which pullets would be separated out and why, watch the breeder hens with their chicks, which chicks to watch as they grew. He never touched a bird, not once, and after that Dad started teaching me. This was almost 60 years ago. It was when he had the chickens moved to the strawberry patch to give them a treat (20 acres). They would spread out and the whole family would be there, collecting the pullets and separating them out as he walked the field with a child in tow pointing to them and signaling one direction or another. Afterr that the field would be ripped apart and the plants moved to another field. Its one of my first memories and this is what I think of when I think of strawberry fields, with chickens running around in them. That's when I started learning about sports and the breeding of chickens. Most importantly how to select, starting early.
SO:
I threw this out before as a statement and no one corrected me. I really want to know and those of you that have or want the Jumbo's and are breeding the ones developed need to know.
1. How many Jumbo Brown varieties were developed in the United States? Developed not later bred by breeders.
