*HELP PLEASE* Chicks with bloody poo and little clots

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by denahli, Aug 4, 2008.

  1. denahli

    denahli Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Lost one baby last night, the one I had in the 'chicken hospital' brooder. I called a variety of feed stores and have called the vet clinic. Duramycin is going to be about as effective as anything, I am just not going to see huge improvement for 5-8 days. And, of course medicated feed is a must have as well....which they were on anyway

    Some linked the Merck Vet Manual and upon further research they had a chart the you could see the different treatment meds for cocci in chickens. It reads like this:

    Amprolium Water 0.012-0.024%, 3-5 days; 0.006%, 1-2 wk 0
    Chlortetracycline Feed 0.022% + 0.8% calcium; not more than 3 wk 0
    Oxytetracycline Feed 0.022% + 0.18-0.55% calcium; not more than 5 days 3
    Sodium sulfachloropy razine monohydrate Water 0.03%, 3 days 4
    Sulfadimethoxine Water 0.05%, 6 days 5
    Sulfamethazine (sulfadimidine) Water 0.1%, 2 days; 0.05%, 4 days 10
    Toltrazuril Water 25 ppm, 2 days NA†

    As you can see on this chart Oxytetracycline is listed and Duramycin IS 200 mg - Oxytetracycline per mL, so definatly an approved treatment. It is a broad spectrum antibiotic as well as Effective against gram-negative and gram-positive bacteria. - Treats respiratory diseases, pinkeye, scours, and other bacterial infections.

    I was told to keep up with this treatment since I am on day three.

    THNAK YOU AGAIN to everybody who gave me input, you make me a better chickener, um chicken rancher? chickie mama? hen shepard? [​IMG]





    OMG I really need help!

    We are chick-sitting for my sister and when they arrived in their brooder the shavings were wet. The bedding was so damp that the newspaper lining the bottim fell apart. We disinfected it and used our clean shavings this afternoon. We have also been giving them our medicated Agway crumbles, whereas they were on blue seal medicated more powdery crumble (more like dust to me!)

    I checked their bums, cant tell which one it is.

    Well we just looked in the brooder and it looks like a horror show, ok maybe I exaggerate but there is a blood in there and bloody stools. their are even little clotty bits in the doo. We tried to remove the dirty bits and I just gave them Duramycin water, a bit of milk and 1/2 our food mixed with about half theirs. They are all lively. What is going on?

    If this is cocci what else can I do tonight? I cant get to a feed store till tomorrow, any more home remedys or maybe suggestions of what may be causing it?

    Also our chicks are in a seperate brooder on the floor next to them, should they be moved away?

    1) What type of bird , age and weight. mixes, aracauna, anconas and black sex links all born about july 6th
    2) What is the behavior, exactly. Normal activity
    3) Is there any bleeding, injury, broken bones or other sign of trauma. bloody poop and little clotty bits4) What happened, if anything that you know of, that may have caused the situation.they were in dirty bedding
    5) What has the bird been eating and drinking, if at all.See above
    6) How does the poop look? Normal? Bloody? Runny? etc.
    7) What has been the treatment you have administered so far?Medicated food, duramycin water and milk (skim)
    8 ) What is your intent as far as treatment? For example, do you want to treat completely yourself, or do you need help in stabilizing the bird til you can get to a vet?myself if possible
    9) If you have a picture of the wound or condition, please post it. It may help.
    10) Describe the housing/bedding in use Fresh Wood Shavings in a homemade brooder. Brooder is an xtra large plastic tote with sede vent holes and a lid with a cut out opening
     
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  2. Guitartists

    Guitartists Resistance is futile

    Mar 21, 2008
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    I don't know... but I'm sure someone will come along with an answer... sounds like it COULD be Cocci... but I haven't dealt with this personally so I don't want to say for sure [​IMG]
     
  3. dogzrule5

    dogzrule5 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    It's probably coccidia. If you can get some Sulmet in their water right away, they will stand a chance. You can get this stuff at a feed store but you'll need to act quickly.
     
  4. denahli

    denahli Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Is Sulmet an antibiotic like Duramycin because I am giving them that now
     
  5. nnbreeder

    nnbreeder Chillin' With My Peeps

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    No Sulmet is a Sulfa drug and can be found in the cattle meds section. It is used to treat Scours in calves. Cocci thrives on protien so only feed the starter to them, no treats that could boost the protien level of their feed. Amprolium is another anti-cocci drug that is widly used and is probably what is in the feed but at much lower levels than the dose they get from being treated for Cocci. Even on medicated feed the chicks can still pick Cocci up so you should have preventave drugs on hand.
     
  6. Jenski

    Jenski Chillin' With My Peeps

    Jun 17, 2008
    Middle Tennessee
    Amprolium (Amprol) is the drug I would prefer for coccidiosis. This too should be available from your local co-cop or Tractor Supply. The directions for adding to water should be on the package.

    Since I do not raise very young chicks, I have a question for those who do: if the chicks have just been started on a good medicated feed, is another treatment necessary? Does the medicated starter help if they have already come down with coccidiosis?
     
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  7. hinkjc

    hinkjc Overrun With Chickens Premium Member

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    Antibiotics do not treat cocci...

    No, medicated feed is not enough if you have a full blown case of cocci. They need Amprol or another sulfa drug to treat cocci.

    I will point out that once you see a lot of blood, the intestinal tract is already compromised and damaged. While you can cure cocci, the damage does not repair.

    Edited to add a link on cocci.. http://compepid.tuskegee.edu/syllabi/pathobiology/pathology/avianmed/chapter7.html
    Jody
     
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  8. denahli

    denahli Chillin' With My Peeps

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    They are all still living, one looks a bit weak but I am going to change their litter in a bit and scald their feed and waterer...again


    FYI: Duramycin is a comparable drug to Teramycin. Either of these were reported to be effective against cocci in the link posted here.

    Ill keep you posted on their condition. THANKS EVERYONE :)

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  9. Acre of Blessings

    Acre of Blessings Canning/Sewing Addict

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    Cheer up she be o.k[​IMG]
     
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    Acre of Blessings Canning/Sewing Addict

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