Help please, is this bumble foot?

[ForTheLoveOfSilkies]

She laid an egg yesterday and today so she must be feeling ok I guess? They stop laying if stressed don't they? After all the trauma yesterday I can't believe she laid today!
She's moving around the cage ok and scratching around, eating and drinking. She sung her egg song and the rooster and others joined in singing from up the backyard

 

[ForTheLoveOfSilkies]

Update,
She's still laying every day and does normal chicken things like scratching around.
Today I have her with the others in the run but in a cage so see but no touch and she so happy clucking away and the 2 boys were competing to attract her attention. I think I'll have to keep her separate in the cage because mating might hurt her foot.
I have been changing the bandage and washing with betadine and dressing with manuka honey but it looks a little red and swollen although not like before, how long should it take before red/swelling goes away and it starts to heal?

 

[ForTheLoveOfSilkies]

Hopefully I will receive my express posted triple antibiotic ointment by tomorrow and I also ordered Aristopet antibiotics (that goes in water) that will take longer to arrive. She is still swollen so guessing it's still infected and I didn't get all it out? I have been changing bandage, washing with antiseptic then pack with manuka honey.
@Isaac 0 do you have advice for my situation please? Do I need to cut her foot open now to see if any more infection or wait till healed more then cut again or try antibiotic ointment? Or something else?
Today pic..
Bandaged foot

 

[ForTheLoveOfSilkies]

@penny1960 anymore advice please?
@RosemaryDuck ?

 

[RosemaryDuck]

Hopefully I will receive my express posted triple antibiotic ointment by tomorrow and I also ordered Aristopet antibiotics (that goes in water) that will take longer to arrive. She is still swollen so guessing it's still infected and I didn't get all it out? I have been changing bandage, washing with antiseptic then pack with manuka honey.
@Isaac 0 do you have advice for my situation please? Do I need to cut her foot open now to see if any more infection or wait till healed more then cut again or try antibiotic ointment? Or something else?
Today pic..
Bandaged foot
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Weird, the swelling should have gone down. You may have missed a piece, since sometimes it tends to break up when you're pulling the core out. It could just be inflamed from the actual removal, but I'm sure someone else can chime in here too.

 

[Isaac 0]

The recent picture you posted is noticeably still infected; the area will need to have surgery to promote healing of the tissue and prevent further infection of the surrounding tissue. Looking at your pictures right after surgery it appears you did not go far enough into the tissue to achieve much excavation of the caseous material, and bacterial-filled pus that is likely present inside.

I would personally start re-soaking the foot in an Epsom salts mixture or an antiseptic mixture such as chlorhexidine, or betadine , while soaking massage the area firmly to promote easier excavation of the puss when you do attempt surgery. Once you soaked the mass to the point is readily soft, and tender, you can take a scalpel, and pair of tweezers, and cut around the eschar. Once the eschar has been take out, apply firm pressure in an attempt to squeeze out any caseous material. If none comes out, you may need to dig slightly further into the swelling. If the area hemorrhages, apply firm pressure with a dry towel until the bleeding stops, and continue further.

After doing the process, gauze, or some sort of padding should be wrapped around the tissue, to promote reinfection, support blood flow, and decrease chances of subsequent trauma to the area until healing has occurred. Antibiotics are indicated in some cases, so if you wish, you could start her on one/ you can get antibiotics online in fish, or bird form. cephalexin, clindamycin, and enrofloxacin would be good choices.

Manuka Honey, Sugardine, and Melafix are some additional products you may find helpful during treatment.

https://glamgouldians.com/product-enrofloxyn.php
https://www.chewy.com/fish-aid-antibiotics-cephalexin/dp/185208
https://www.americanfarriers.com/ar...-mess-that-works-when-treating-wound-injuries

Pododermatitis can be caused by several factors, but a predominant cause seen is poultry, is rough substrate, and perches promoting degradation of the squamous epidermis resulting in flaking, and bacterial invasion into the underlying tissue. Sanding down perches, ensuring their run is easy on their feet can help prevent further problems from occurring.

 

[ForTheLoveOfSilkies]

The recent picture you posted is noticeably still infected; the area will need to have surgery to promote healing of the tissue and prevent further infection of the surrounding tissue. Looking at your pictures right after surgery it appears you did not go far enough into the tissue to achieve much excavation of the caseous material, and bacterial-filled pus that is likely present inside.

I would personally start re-soaking the foot in an Epsom salts mixture or an antiseptic mixture such as chlorhexidine, or betadine , while soaking massage the area firmly to promote easier excavation of the puss when you do attempt surgery. Once you soaked the mass to the point is readily soft, and tender, you can take a scalpel, and pair of tweezers, and cut around the eschar. Once the eschar has been take out, apply firm pressure in an attempt to squeeze out any caseous material. If none comes out, you may need to dig slightly further into the swelling. If the area hemorrhages, apply firm pressure with a dry towel until the bleeding stops, and continue further.

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After doing the process, gauze, or some sort of padding should be wrapped around the tissue, to promote reinfection, support blood flow, and decrease chances of subsequent trauma to the area until healing has occurred. Antibiotics are indicated in some cases, so if you wish, you could start her on one/ you can get antibiotics online in fish, or bird form. cephalexin, clindamycin, and enrofloxacin would be good choices.

Manuka Honey, Sugardine, and Melafix are some additional products you may find helpful during treatment.

https://glamgouldians.com/product-enrofloxyn.php
https://www.chewy.com/fish-aid-antibiotics-cephalexin/dp/185208
https://www.americanfarriers.com/ar...-mess-that-works-when-treating-wound-injuries

Pododermatitis can be caused by several factors, but a predominant cause seen is poultry, is rough substrate, and perches promoting degradation of the squamous epidermis resulting in flaking, and bacterial invasion into the underlying tissue. Sanding down perches, ensuring their run is easy on their feet can help prevent further problems from occurring.

Thank you for your reply. As it was my first time dealing with this I was a bit nervous how far into the foot to go and I thought I got all hard bits including the core.
I'll resoak as suggested and go over again. Hopefully this time I can get rid of all of the infection. Poor girl. Wish there was pain relief for her. ..She did seem fine after the first time anyway, still laying an egg a day even with the stress of foot pain -very good layer for a Silkie.
She is a little overweight and also had a prolapse a few months ago, so not in top health condition, and now with bumblefoot

Thanks for the info! Much appreciated

 

[Shezadandy]

Thank you for your reply. As it was my first time dealing with this I was a bit nervous how far into the foot to go and I thought I got all hard bits including the core.
I'll resoak as suggested and go over again. Hopefully this time I can get rid of all of the infection. Poor girl. Wish there was pain relief for her. ..She did seem fine after the first time anyway, still laying an egg a day even with the stress of foot pain -very good layer for a Silkie.
She is a little overweight and also had a prolapse a few months ago, so not in top health condition, and now with bumblefoot

Thanks for the info! Much appreciated

Do you have access to PRID? It can be used to help bring the rest of the infection up to the surface over a day or two instead of digging back in and looking for it.

Amazon.com: Smile's PRID Drawing Salve by Hyland's, Relief of Topical Pain and Skin Irritations, 18 grams: Beauty

If you have a strong stomach for pus and blood and boils, read the reviews - of folks using PRID to get all manner of infections to come out. Otherwise - I would apply it to the foot and bandage it, leave it for at least one day. Then check it - see if it needs another day (apply again, bandage).

 

[RosemaryDuck]

Do you have access to PRID? It can be used to help bring the rest of the infection up to the surface over a day or two instead of digging back in and looking for it.

Amazon.com: Smile's PRID Drawing Salve by Hyland's, Relief of Topical Pain and Skin Irritations, 18 grams: Beauty

If you have a strong stomach for pus and blood and boils, read the reviews - of folks using PRID to get all manner of infections to come out. Otherwise - I would apply it to the foot and bandage it, leave it for at least one day. Then check it - see if it needs another day (apply again, bandage).

Oh, I love PRID! I've used that for acne before. Great stuff. So sticky though, like tree sap. It'll be a bit of a pain to remove, after the fact, so use a bit of warm water.

 

[Sycamore Hill Chicks]

Ooh yeah and that needs to be treated soon, as it is swollen. Soak in Epsom salts, gently remove the plug when you can, but don’t force it. Clean it well. When I didn’t do this the infection came back in my girl. Apply antibac ointment