HELP- Vegetarian Feed???

Excuse me, I certainly don't want to start any sort of arguement that's way off subject, but being a part of the agricultural industry, I feel obligated to correct misinformed individuals.

Euthenized dogs and cats are certainly not fed to feedlot cattle. I have a degree in Animal Science, in which I took a number of livestock nutrition classes. My husband has also worked a several feedlots. I keep up to date on issues affecting agriculture, and especially sheep and cattle. I can assure you that cattle have not been fed any sort of mammalian byproducts for more than a decade. They may be fed feather meal, fish meal, or milk byproduct, but that's the only animal protein they get. The only other source of non-plant protein that can legaly be fed to cattle (or sheep or goats) is urea, which is a type of nitrogen that ruminant animals can convert to protein.

Many people believe that though it is illegal, feedlots just break the laws and feed this stuff anyway. While the recent mad cow cases suggest that this does happen, I absolutely believe that this is a minute minority of the cases. The consequences to a feedlot for breaking such a law are enourmous (hundreds of thousands of dollars). One of the feedlots that my husband worked at accidentally shipped out a steer that wasn't past a withdrawl time on a drug that it was treated with. He had to drive 6 hours one way to photograph the steer being disposed of to prove that it would not enter the food supply. A feedlot would not make this kind of effort if they only reprucusion was a slap on the wrist.

We raise and feed out our own cattle, sheep, goats, and chickens for ourselves and to sell. We use only "natural" grains, grass, and hay. We don't use any growth implants or unecessary antibiotics. We realize that there is a market for such meat. But I also realize that there is a place for these products.

Sorry for the long post, but I felt obligated to clear the misunderstanding.
 
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I understand that there are some very responsible people and private interest in the meat industry. While smaller productions are likely more concious (because they have much more to loose) there are certainly many that are not. I think that it has been well documented (at least well enough for me) that there is very little regulatory oversight and lots of special interest in the Department of Ag. I am not suggesting that all beef is bad or that all of the industry is rotten but I feel it safe to say that these things can be applied in many cases.

"Animal feed legally can contain rendered road kill, dead horses, and euthanized cats and dogs." This is from the Union of Concerned Scientist at http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_environment/sustainable_food/they-eat-what.html. It was also documented in the book Mad Coyboy.

I know that there are good ranchers and farmers, I just don't have much faith in the oversight of the industry or the good will of all of those involved. No offense aimed at you or your husband.
 
"Union of Concerned Scientists" is a fringe group and web site that sensationalizes information for their own agendas. Today, commercial livestock and poultry feed companies do not use road kill, euthanized pets, etc in their feed rations. These companies purchase meat and bone meal (most of the time 100% porcine) from USDA-inspected rendering plants to use in their rations. Now, what goes into pet foods is a different subject...and may utilize other mammal tissue in their MBM products.
 
There are lots of "legal" animal feeds that I have a problem with, for example hog poop is washed off and refed to the same hogs legally because they do not digest all the grain the first time around. Not to start a flame either, I just think those of us with small operations can afford to be really picky about what goes into our chickens and into us via eggs. BTW I have a degree in agriculture.
 
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HaHa...Now I really want you to find me a link for this...lol. I don't like to talk about my past, but I was responsible for the production of 2 million pigs a year both in the US and Poland. I can guarantee you that no commercial operation washes their hog poop and re-feeds it to their pigs....
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BTW...I left corporate agriculture because as a Buddhist, I cannot make a living off of animals' misery. I did my best as a corporate officer to make animal welfare a concern and implement more humane husbandry practices but unfortunately the demands of meeting shareholder expectations (increasing profits) trumps those concerns.
 
Zenbirder- your catahoula is beautiful. I used to have one myself. I think he was the best dog I have ever had.
 
MayberrySaint, I don't have a link or know what is going on in the hog industry today. Truthfully I don't want to know. What I do know is that around 20 years ago near Fresno, California one of my Ag classes bussed us around to all kinds of commercial operations and I saw a lot of nasty stuff (and some that was great). I saw with my own eyes the grating that the hog manure ran over to collect all the solids, which were washed and refed. I can still see the profit $ glowing in eyes of the guy who gave us the tour. Yea for you on Right Livelihood, for some of us there comes a point in our lives where we make big changes to be at inner peace.
 
TO BRING THE THREAD BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL TOPIC

I've been looking for feed with ANIMAL protein in it, and I can't get any!

Yes, chickens are omnivores. I give my chickens all the scraps from fishing and hunting (raw) as well as all my meat leftovers.

Yes, you can get vegetarian diet chicken feed, but its usually high in soy....and soy has natural estrogens in it. Speaking to lontimers around here where vegetarian feed is all you can find...they say their egg production went WAY down when they were basically forced to switch. Those with good egg production have supplemented their feed with real meat.

I understand vegetatians' concerns...however, I believe in feeding animals a diet they evolved to have...and in a chicken's case, that's omnivorous. True freeranging makes up for it as the chickens then eat little feed.

Regarding the fox with cherry pits above...yes, most canids will eat fruit when seasonally appropriate, but the vast majority of their diet is meat and thus they are carnivores. Same argument goes the other way, even fruigivorous birds (fruit eaters) eat insects at opportune times, but they're still considered fruigivorous. It's not about 100%...just close to 100% by calorie or by weight.

Yea...that's the Biologist in me speaking now!

Sandra
 

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