help with goose egg!

[onthelabel]

first I'd like to say THANK YOU SO MUCH this has been such a helpful forum to me for YEARS even though I've never made an account before.

now to the problem! I have one lonely little canada goose egg that has been giving me all sorts of problems. I'll type out the story later, because if this guy makes it it will be a little miracle baby, but right now it's got yet another hurdle to get over. We're on day 26. Two days ago internal pipping occurred. Early, but this egg's been a little ahead of schedule and I wondered if it had some time to be incubated by mom before I got a hold of it. Lots of peeping and clicking, pretty clear movement and hard strikes against the egg. Fast forward to today, still no external pip, and following some of the threads on here I decided to make a small air hole to make sure it's getting air and take a peek. ONLY THERE'S BEEN NO INTERNAL PIP. so here's my dilemma!

There's a lot of very clear movement of the beak up in the air space next to and up against the egg (with the membrane still around it!) and it's doing a lot of opening and closing it's beak in very small movements very quickly. I'm really stuck, so what do you guys think? I'm afraid for some reason the membrane was too thick and I should help, but on the other hand, this is only day 26, despite it's quick schedule, so maybe I should see what happens!

The membrane looks kind of thick and white in places, but doesn't look to shrink wrapped to the little guy. There are a couple veins visible, but no major ones. From what I can tell (it is a very small hole) the baby doesn't seem to be folded wrong or anything. I don't mind assist hatching, I've done it successfully with chicks several times before, but I've never quite been in this situation before and would love some opinions!

(I'll type up the story to post under this, this really is a lucky little goose, I just wanted to get this out there )

 

[onthelabel]

ALRIGHT. so I've been doing a lot of birding lately for a couple of my classes, and I was way deep into the woods at one point when I stumbled on a nest at the very edge of a lake. The thing was totally ruined, shells and cracked eggs and feathers everywhere, but I dug around to make sure there weren't any survivors. Nope. Some prints in the mud told me some racoons ate pretty good the night before. So I turned away to continue looking, and about 15 or 20 feet away, way back in trees, somehow, was an egg. I thought for sure it had to be cracked, but I crawled my way through thorns (WHY ALWAYS THORNS) and it wasn't! I put it in the pocket of my hoodie to carry back (it survived that too!) and thought I'd candle it, see how it looked, and decided what to do with it. Fast forward, and everything progressed well to my HUGE SURPRISE, if a little quickly, and now here we are!

Thanks for your help, guys, I would really like to see this little baby hatch

 

[Miss Lydia]

first I'd like to say THANK YOU SO MUCH this has been such a helpful forum to me for YEARS even though I've never made an account before.

now to the problem! I have one lonely little canada goose egg that has been giving me all sorts of problems. I'll type out the story later, because if this guy makes it it will be a little miracle baby, but right now it's got yet another hurdle to get over. We're on day 26. Two days ago internal pipping occurred. Early, but this egg's been a little ahead of schedule and I wondered if it had some time to be incubated by mom before I got a hold of it. Lots of peeping and clicking, pretty clear movement and hard strikes against the egg. Fast forward to today, still no external pip, and following some of the threads on here I decided to make a small air hole to make sure it's getting air and take a peek. ONLY THERE'S BEEN NO INTERNAL PIP. so here's my dilemma!

There's a lot of very clear movement of the beak up in the air space next to and up against the egg (with the membrane still around it!) and it's doing a lot of opening and closing it's beak in very small movements very quickly. I'm really stuck, so what do you guys think? I'm afraid for some reason the membrane was too thick and I should help, but on the other hand, this is only day 26, despite it's quick schedule, so maybe I should see what happens!

The membrane looks kind of thick and white in places, but doesn't look to shrink wrapped to the little guy. There are a couple veins visible, but no major ones. From what I can tell (it is a very small hole) the baby doesn't seem to be folded wrong or anything. I don't mind assist hatching, I've done it successfully with chicks several times before, but I've never quite been in this situation before and would love some opinions!

(I'll type up the story to post under this, this really is a lucky little goose, I just wanted to get this out there )

I'm thinking now that it isn't internally pipped your going to have to really watch it doesn't shrink wrap and can't internally pip because of the hole you made. I know barely nothing about raising humidity and hatching in a bator but there are others on here that do it alot so hopefully someone will be able to help. But if only on day 26 i would just not do a thing till you hear from someone who knows.

please post here because this is a pretty active thread right now, https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/859891/goslings-of-2014-hatch-a-long/2910#post_13486249

 

[onthelabel]

I'm thinking now that it isn't internally pipped your going to have to really watch it doesn't shrink wrap and can't internally pip because of the hole you made. I know barely nothing about raising humidity and hatching in a bator but there are others on here that do it alot so hopefully someone will be able to help. But if only on day 26 i would just not do a thing till you hear from someone who knows.

please post here because this is a pretty active thread right now, https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/859891/goslings-of-2014-hatch-a-long/2910#post_13486249

That's what I thought too! But I was so sure he had, all the shadows and clicking and peeping had me positive he had internally pipped. Normally I wouldn't even try to do something this early, but it's such an odd situation I just don't know (he could very well be on day 28 or further, it's just day 26 since I got the egg in an incubator). I raised the humidity right away! He's still doing some moving around, not as much as last night, but he sure is getting loud. Thanks for the advice!

 

[Miss Lydia]

That's what I thought too! But I was so sure he had, all the shadows and clicking and peeping had me positive he had internally pipped. Normally I wouldn't even try to do something this early, but it's such an odd situation I just don't know (he could very well be on day 28 or further, it's just day 26 since I got the egg in an incubator). I raised the humidity right away! He's still doing some moving around, not as much as last night, but he sure is getting loud. Thanks for the advice!

I sure hope it makes it.. what plans if it does? sure won't be able to release the little one.

 

[onthelabel]

I sure hope it makes it.. what plans if it does? sure won't be able to release the little one.

Me too! I volunteer pretty regularly with a nearby farm and they get goslings constantly, especially after big storms (which we've had a lot of lately, unfortunately) and usually they release them all together in the fall, or keep them on if they have any issues, so either way, he should be in good company.

 

[Miss Lydia]

Me too! I volunteer pretty regularly with a nearby farm and they get goslings constantly, especially after big storms (which we've had a lot of lately, unfortunately) and usually they release them all together in the fall, or keep them on if they have any issues, so either way, he should be in good company.

That's good, they need the company of others of their own kind, sounds like a nice place.

 

[ChickDancer]

If you're hearing him peep, then he HAD to make an internal pip SOMEWHERE. It may not be right next to his beak though. He may have shifted inside of the membrane after making that pip. But if he still has air, he should be okay. As a matter of fact, since you see no internal pip with all of this peeping and clicking, he may have made it straight to the outside world with an external pip on the wrong end. Keep in mind that they may only BARELY tap the edge of the shell when they do this, and not even really move pieces out of place.

 

[onthelabel]

That's good, they need the company of others of their own kind, sounds like a nice place.

It is nice, they do a really great job with education and it's definitely a great help in situations like this one

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alright! that makes me feel a little better. My biggest worry was that he was having trouble getting through the inner membrane, but hopefully he's just doing his thing then. I guess I'll just keep a close eye on him, thanks!

 

[onthelabel]

update! little goose is doing REALLY WELL. I was checking him around every hour and half through the night, and at around four am i just thought time to start helping it's been too long. It had been over 48 hours since internal pip and 24 since making the hole and i was having such a hard time making the decision i just went with my gut and peeled away the shell right near his face. his foot seemed to be way more forward than it should have been, it actually split the inner membrane as soon as i got the shell out of the way, so i think maybe it was preventing him from turning at all. the veins were pretty small, definitely receding, but i could still see a few, so i stopped there and decided to continue when i woke up for real. checked at 6, still the same. checked around 8, and he'd pushed most of his body through this little hole (i think the foot that was positioned bad for turning was position just right for getting him out of the egg too soon). i dont think ive ever seen a baby trying so hard to get out, but i could see the yolk wasnt quite done absorbing. I put him back in his little container and covered up the parrot (juno, my little parrotlet, has been talking to him nonstop since yesterday, it's adorable) and i got him to stay in there for about two more hours. five minutes ago i hear a bunch of rocking and a thud and out he is! everything looks really good. he has a bit of a distended belly, but nothing like the yolk sac i was afraid i would have to be dealing with. i'll take some pics once he's fluffed up a little!