Hen with a pasty butt looking problem

From: http://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/avmed/cam/07_emergency_and_critical_care.pdf
Supportive Care
SICK-BIRD ENCLOSURES
Sick birds are often hypothermic and should be placed
in heated (brooder-type) enclosures



b (Fig 7.7) in a quiet
environment (see Chapter 1, Clinical Practice). A temperature
of 85° F (29° C) with 70% humidity is desirable
for most sick birds. If brooders are not equipped with a
humidity source, placing a small dish of water in the
enclosure will often supply adequate humidity. A moist
towel that is heated and placed on the bottom of a cage
or incubator rapidly humidifies the environment, as indicated
by the fogging of the acrylic cage front.

FLUID THERAPY
Oral Administration
Oral administration is the ideal method of giving fluids.
This method is more commonly used in mildly dehydrated
birds or in conjunction with subcutaneous (SC)
or intravenous (IV) therapy. Oral rehydration (30 ml/kg
PO q 6-8 h) also may be used in larger birds (eg, waterfowl)
that are difficult to restrain for parenteral fluid
therapy.

ORAL NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS
Below are listed some of the oral nutritional supplements

that can be gavage-fed to debilitated birds. Various
hand-feeding formulas are on the market and, as a
whole, are far superior to the homemade formulas used
decades ago that contained monkey biscuits, peanut butter
and ground seeds. Commercially available hand-feeding
formulas for baby birds are often utilized in the treatment
of sick and debilitated adult birds. The quantity
that can be fed at one time to a sick bird is greatly
reduced from that of baby birds. On the average, a baby
parrot can accommodate 10% of its body weight per
feeding due to the elasticity of the crop and its rapid
emptying. Adult birds have a greatly decreased crop
capacity, averaging 3% of their body weight. Additionally,
sick birds are less tolerant of food in the crop and care
must be taken to avoid regurgitation and/or aspiration.
A sick or debilitated bird should always have its
hydration corrected prior to attempting to initiate
oral gavage-feeding.
 
Thank you all for you input. My hen seems to be doing a little better now, I kept coming in and administrating yogurt and pedialyte every hour and a half last night. I saw her eat some brown crumbles this morning. I will keep giving her the fluids and yogurt as I believe the yogurt might have played a good part.

She is more resistant today when I try to give her food, which must mean shes in a better state I am assuming, but she still isn't herself exactly. I gave her more of the monistat medication (a quarter of the plug that came with the box) in her vent like I did yesterday, as well as the cream on and around the vent. I don't know how much it got to work now (the internal plug part) though because when she got the medication it went right out with the poop I saw today :(

Since at this point I am treating it like vent gleet, can I get this Nystatin/Medistatin only through a vet or is there a way to acquire it another way? And the copper sulfate, is there a particular brand to use and how much should I give her?

Thanks for the diet plans and links casportpony, I will try that baby bird food and corn syrup along with the yogurt and pedialyte (I keep giving her the pedialyte since I don't know if shes drinking on her own and trying to avoid her getting dehydrated again).
 
Jedd's carries Medistatin:
http://www.jedds.com/-strse-651/MEDISTATIN-100-g-(Medpet)/Detail.bok
You may be able to find it cheaper elsewhere. I'm surprised you can't find copper sulfate at a feed store. It is usually placed on the same rack as neomycin, tetracycline, and other soluble powders sold in plastic or foil packs. Your bird needs the nutrients and electrolytes though. Once the bird is on its feet, eating a drinking, and being more active, you could try a Medistatin treatment. Keep us posted on how your bird is doing.
 
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Jedd's carries Medistatin:
http://www.jedds.com/-strse-651/MEDISTATIN-100-g-(Medpet)/Detail.bok
You may be able to find it cheaper elsewhere. I'm surprised you can't find copper sulfate at a feed store. It is usually placed on the same rack as neomycin, tetracycline, and other soluble powders sold in plastic or foil packs. Your bird needs the nutrients and electrolytes though. Once the bird is on its feet, eating a drinking, and being more active, you could try a Medistatin treatment. Keep us posted on how your bird is doing.

 
sorry for taking a long time to reply. Had a crazy week on top of all this.

My hen seems to be doing not much better. Yesterday and today i saw maggots come back, but in small numbers compared to my inital discovery. I got a fly net today to put over her box as the other day i thought putting her outside in a little pen would be good, but i think what happened is the flies just came back and laid eggs again... I cleaned her yet again and made sure there was nothing, so the only thing i can think of is that they found her again and attacked her.

The only stuff i found that is copper sulfate is all stuff formulated for horses and ponies (think its like a liquid) but i have been afraid to use it.. I am not sure she could handle it being so weak (as i heard its toxic) plus i dont know if this is the right stuff gor her being that it stresses its not for internal use and to not use on animals used for food (so her eggs would be tainted?)I feel like i should just order the nystatin stuff online and go with that, i feel like i am messing up by getting the copper sulfate verses the other stuff :( i just hope by going with it she can hold on...

Another note about her mass on her left side: it is not a hard/fleshy mass, but feels soft, almost like it is liquid filled/bouncy slightly, oblonged-shaped? She seems to not want to lay/sit on that side. She also seems to avoid sitting down... Like she falls forward a lot and acts like she has a hard time standing now.. Could the mass be her uterus or something that inflammed? What would be on that side of her body? I looked around but it doesnt seem clear?

I just feel over whelmed because its been hard trying to keep her going... I dont want to lose her though as she has been through a lot...
 
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So far i have kept with yogurt and feeding her some strawberries (we grow them in the backyard) as well as brown rice mix. She eats but does not have the typical chicken appetite (normally the chickens just love eating treats, she seems stop and go with her appetite).

The other day i started syring watering her diluted apple cider vinegar as I heard it is suppose to help fight funguses.

It has been hard as well because the chickens actually belong to my parents-i have been doing the best i can but my parents dont want her in the house (to help keep flies away) or understand.
 
So far i have kept with yogurt and feeding her some strawberries (we grow them in the backyard) as well as brown rice mix. She eats but does not have the typical chicken appetite (normally the chickens just love eating treats, she seems stop and go with her appetite).

The other day i started syring watering her diluted apple cider vinegar as I heard it is suppose to help fight funguses.

It has been hard as well because the chickens actually belong to my parents-i have been doing the best i can but my parents dont want her in the house (to help keep flies away) or understand.

You are doing an honorable thing by helping this hen, but giving foods like brown rice, apple cider vinegar, and strawberries will only cause more digestive problems. None of those things will provide needed nutrients. Watered down yogurt mixes easily with feed and you can moisten some feed with it and offer it to the bird. Apple cider vinegar will not have any affect on a yeast infection. You would be better off feeding vitamins-electrolyte water with a syringe to keep the bird hydrated. It is very important to keep the vent clean and treat the surrounding feathers with a permethrin based spray for safe use on animals. This will prevent flies. The area where you keep her must be clean and treated to repel flies also. I'm very surprised your parents aren't taking care of their own birds also. If you cannot get Medistatin, I would ask your parents to at least take the bird to the vet. They should take the responsibility to treat the bird or have her laid to rest.
 
I guess what I was thinking about the brown rice was that it would be easy to digest perhaps. I will do that you suggested instead diluted yogurt watered feed mix (is brown crumbles still suitable choice to use? Like to water down with?)

Whatever she has she definitely has some bad smelling poo. I have kept checking her poops on my cleanings and she has pretty runny stuff that is strong smelling (A bit like watered down dust with greenish tint). Maybe the food choices I started to give her like the rice and strawberries has been aggravating her tummy and thats why she's not improving.


I know what your saying, I wish they would be more proactive--it just makes it frustrating. Even though she's sick they told me to take her out because she smelled bad. Its like even when I try to explain the reasoning they don't seem to get it, they just act like "these things happen and theres not much you can do." I think my parents, like my dad, has more of a mindset of "if they are that sick, put it down." I think because I am trying to fix her, they just let me, but if it was up to them they would just take the other option... I just don't feel right doing that unless all options are exhausted..

Anyway, I am going to take that copper sulfate back and get that medistatin.. I don't want to mess around and make things worse..
 
I guess what I was thinking about the brown rice was that it would be easy to digest perhaps. I will do that you suggested instead diluted yogurt watered feed mix (is brown crumbles still suitable choice to use? Like to water down with?)

Yes. Just take a tablespoon of yogurt mix 1/2 oz of tepid water with it. Take that and moisten a couple ounces of feed in a small feeder or bowl and offer it to the bird.

Whatever she has she definitely has some bad smelling poo. I have kept checking her poops on my cleanings and she has pretty runny stuff that is strong smelling (A bit like watered down dust with greenish tint). Maybe the food choices I started to give her like the rice and strawberries has been aggravating her tummy and thats why she's not improving.

Likely it is vent gleet, and yes, those food choices won't help. Here's some info on vent gleet:
http://www.birdhealth.com.au/flockbirds/poultry/diseases/vent_gleet.html



I know what your saying, I wish they would be more proactive--it just makes it frustrating. Even though she's sick they told me to take her out because she smelled bad. Its like even when I try to explain the reasoning they don't seem to get it, they just act like "these things happen and theres not much you can do." I think my parents, like my dad, has more of a mindset of "if they are that sick, put it down." I think because I am trying to fix her, they just let me, but if it was up to them they would just take the other option... I just don't feel right doing that unless all options are exhausted..

Anyway, I am going to take that copper sulfate back and get that medistatin.. I don't want to mess around and make things worse..

Depending on the hens condition, i.e. having an appetite, drinking, physical activity, and how long the bird has been that way, depends on whether treatment or euthanasia should happen. If the bird is very sick, waiting for treatment will be harder on the bird. If you can, convince one of your parents to get the bird to an avian vet, or one that specializes in exotics.
 
I'm sorry about your parents when I was a child my parents were that same way with animals. now as an adult I try my very best to save the animals if I possibly can. your doing a very good job at trying to care for her.. all you can do is try your best. the thing that concerns me is the mass inside her. hopefully its just swollen from the infection and not a tumor or.a egg bound egg. have you considered also along with the treatment for the gleet putting her on a general anti infective antibiotic to help with the infection? something like Gallamycine into her water might help or oxytetercycline? any general water soluble anti infective antibiotic ? that might also help with the swelling. you might consider that also. is that mass hard or soft? does it feel like liquid is inside it? I'm sure hoping she gets better! either way you should be very proud of yourself for doing such a great job of carrying for her. sometimes things are out of our hands and all we can do is try. but I wanted to tell you I think your doing a really great job! please keep us posted on her condition and please know my prayers are with you for her recovery. I wish you the best. good luck.
 
I'm sorry about your parents when I was a child my parents were that same way with animals. now as an adult I try my very best to save the animals if I possibly can. your doing a very good job at trying to care for her.. all you can do is try your best. the thing that concerns me is the mass inside her. hopefully its just swollen from the infection and not a tumor or.a egg bound egg. have you considered also along with the treatment for the gleet putting her on a general anti infective antibiotic to help with the infection? something like Gallamycine into her water might help or oxytetercycline? any general water soluble anti infective antibiotic ? that might also help with the swelling. you might consider that also. is that mass hard or soft? does it feel like liquid is inside it? I'm sure hoping she gets better! either way you should be very proud of yourself for doing such a great job of carrying for her. sometimes things are out of our hands and all we can do is try. but I wanted to tell you I think your doing a really great job! please keep us posted on her condition and please know my prayers are with you for her recovery. I wish you the best. good luck.
If it's vent gleet, antibiotics will only make it worse.
 

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