Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[Lacy Blues]

Oh really... GJENSEN... I could bend your ear for a while if you're awake. Always trying to figure out feeds and such. What to plant, etc., etc., etc.

 

[cbnovick]

Got a pic of a processed bird that had a wry tail...shows the crooked pelvis...she was a Speckled Sussex and had possibly the worst conformation I've ever seen on a bird. Hatchery genetics, of course.

Wow, that is a funky pelvis! Great pics!

 

[Beekissed]

Oh really... GJENSEN... I could bend your ear for a while if you're awake. Always trying to figure out feeds and such. What to plant, etc., etc., etc.

Lacy, here's a handy site that tells the relative merits to all kinds of feed ingredients: http://ingredients101.com/brsgrnd.htm The page it opens on is the one on brewer's grains...which are as close to the fermented grain information as I could get for protein percentages. Distiller's grains are similar.

Just look to the menu on the right side of the page to find details on a huge list of ingredients.

 

[RiddleMe]

Quote: Quote: This is where I get confused, does it specifically state measured from horizontal or just from the juncture of tail and back (don't have my SOP on hand at the moment)? I quoted Walt's response on this topic above, from earlier on this thread. Walt had the same response when queried on this on the CSU thread "For those that have asked.........The angle of the tail is determine by the back............wherever the tail meets the back. You would use the back line to determine the tail angle." Post 2010. There was even mention that the illustrations in the SOP are misleading because they use a bird with a horizontal back, giving the impression it is measured from horizontal.

 

[Lacy Blues]

This is where I get confused, does it specifically state measured from horizontal or just from the juncture of tail and back (don't have my SOP on hand at the moment)? I quoted Walt's response on this topic above, from earlier on this thread. Walt had the same response when queried on this on the CSU thread "For those that have asked.........The angle of the tail is determine by the back............wherever the tail meets the back. You would use the back line to determine the tail angle." Post 2010. There was even mention that the illustrations in the SOP are misleading because they use a bird with a horizontal back, giving the impression it is measured from horizontal.

I remember the previous discussion and checked my standard. The breed descriptions only give the specific angle of the tail. In my standard, on page 17 at the top it shows two diagrams: Figure 10 "Diagram Showing Degrees above Horizontal" and Figure 11: "Measuring Tail Angles" shows a flat backed bird with at tail at 30 degrees. I'm taking my cue from Figure 10. It says "degrees above horizontal"

I hesitated to state this but this is all I can find regarding measuring tail angles.

Quickly looking for a more positive example, I read about the Sussex fowl. On the male it says: "Tail: Of medium length, well-spread, carried at an angle of 45 degrees above horizontal." And then scanning again quickly, every breed I see, states the degree of angle "ABOVE HORIZONTAL"

 

[RiddleMe]

 
This is where I get confused, does it specifically state measured from horizontal or just from the juncture of tail and back (don't have my SOP on hand at the moment)? I quoted Walt's response on this topic above, from earlier on this thread. Walt had the same response when queried on this on the CSU thread "For those that have asked.........The angle of the tail is determine by the back............wherever the tail meets the back. You would use the back line to determine the tail angle." Post 2010.  There was even mention that the illustrations in the SOP are misleading because they use a bird with a horizontal back, giving the impression it is measured from horizontal.

I remember the previous discussion and checked my standard.  The breed descriptions only give the specific angle of the tail.  In my standard, on page 17 at the top it shows two diagrams:  Figure 10 "Diagram Showing Degrees above Horizontal"  and Figure 11:  "Measuring Tail Angles" shows a flat backed bird with at tail at 30 degrees.  I'm taking my cue from Figure 10.  It says "degrees above horizontal"

I hesitated to state this but this is all I can find regarding measuring tail angles.

Quickly looking for a more positive example, I read about the Sussex fowl.  On the male it says: "Tail:  Of medium length, well-spread, carried at an angle of 45 degrees above horizontal."  And then scanning again quickly, every breed I see, states the degree of angle "ABOVE HORIZONTAL"

Yeah I noticed that the individual breeds now state above horizontal, I think that was an update to the 2010 SOP. That and those two figures kinda lead me to think that it was measured from the back except when specifically stated from horizontal... Not at all confusing.

 

[Arielle]

Quote: Jason Paige? Bet he will be at the show in Springfield.

 

[Pathfinders]

See Joseph at Yellow House Farm for very good dorkings. ANd there are several buckeye breeders in MA. Are you going to the Northeastern Congress?? I t is in Springfield-- in January I think. PM me for buckeyes info.

Excellent idea, if for no other reason than to see all the various types of birds on display. Always get something you like the looks of, you'll be looking at it every day when you chore it!

 

[Pathfinders]

Jason Paige? Bet he will be at the show in Springfield.

Actually, sadly, Jason recently had to sell out of all his Buckeyes, large and bantam. There is an issue with the zoning laws at his place, and he was not allowed to keep roosters. He made arrangements before the OH National to disperse his flock to a number of breeders who will keep his birds for him (myself included) so that when he gets things straightened around he can come back and get birds once more.

So now I have bantam Buckeyes again, yay! Wish I'd never sold the ones I had, but between college expenses at the time and health issues for both my spouse and I, had to be done then. But all is greatly improved now, and I'm looking forward to working with the littles as well as the bigs again.

 

[3riverschick]

I remember the previous discussion and checked my standard. The breed descriptions only give the specific angle of the tail. In my standard, on page 17 at the top it shows two diagrams: Figure 10 "Diagram Showing Degrees above Horizontal" and Figure 11: "Measuring Tail Angles" shows a flat backed bird with at tail at 30 degrees. I'm taking my cue from Figure 10. It says "degrees above horizontal"

I hesitated to state this but this is all I can find regarding measuring tail angles.

Quickly looking for a more positive example, I read about the Sussex fowl. On the male it says: "Tail: Of medium length, well-spread, carried at an angle of 45 degrees above horizontal." And then scanning again quickly, every breed I see, states the degree of angle "ABOVE HORIZONTAL"

The Sussex is always said to have a flat level back. Thus measuring the angle of the tail in a Sussex from the angle of the back. Anyway, a bird's tail is connected to its body, not the ground. If one is measuring tail angle to help determine symmetry in the bird, why would one use a measurement that is not intrinsic to the bird? i.e. the ground on which it stands. Using the ground as a measuring tool may help to create symmetry in a landscape but not within the bird itself.
Karen