Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[bnjrob]

You'd be surprised...the old timey field corn had surprisingly soft, red cob leavin's so if you had a particularly dirty job that the slick catalog pages could not handle, the cobs were the best option. The catalog was more for number one than number two, but could be utilized for the fine tuning on the number two. My favorite and the most coveted? The comics section out of the Sunday newspaper...soft, soft paper on those. How's that for a glimpse of the old times?

You've got me crying from laughing! Necessity is usually the mother of invention....

 

[Arielle]

Quote: I am truely grateful for indoor plumbing at this point in the conversation!!

 

[catdaddyfro]

You'd be surprised...the old timey field corn had surprisingly soft, red cob leavin's so if you had a particularly dirty job that the slick catalog pages could not handle, the cobs were the best option. The catalog was more for number one than number two, but could be utilized for the fine tuning on the number two. My favorite and the most coveted? The comics section out of the Sunday newspaper...soft, soft paper on those. How's that for a glimpse of the old times?

yes I too have heard those stories of yore. I never had to use such at least my Granny and Grandpa did have TP in their outhouse and yes I remember when they got their first indoor toilet and bath tub they walled in the back porch for it up till then it was the outdoor privy and a water hose hung in the plum tree for a cool shower (brrr) I didn't volunteer to spend too many nights there, most were mandatory for emergency reasons or babysitting times LOL

On the slick catalog paper one was supposed to do this at the second move after the initial undressing and squattin' was to tear out the allotted or estimated amount of pages and wad it up or knead (liken to making a paper ball) over and over in the time duration of taking care of business as this would soften the paper so much more and break up all the china coating and would add to the absorption and comfort levels of the cleansing act tremendously.

Jeff

 

[Tammy N]

WOW learning from this list a lot I know working with the birds is hard ,

Here is where i am Confused .

When a human ,dog ,cat,chicken , Get antibiotics .
the Antibiotics takes over and weakens the disease , Not the natural immune system . as MG attacks the red blood cells


The guy i got my birds from local treats his every week with AB Chick starter
I was also looking up Tylan 10 for chicken feed its like 50 bucks for a 5lb bag

Im trying to learn Now Not fight just asking Questions . I had to do mine in the faces on my turkeys where swollen , parton swollen this was like BOOM i didnt even know anything was wrong until a Guy came and bought chicks from me 2 weeks later coughing and sneezing
guy was just someone who went to roys before me and roy gave him my info

just all so sudden
I wanna learn More so i can Protect my next babies from the Get go .
Still puts me in tears but i have to learn to be better so i can protect the birds better . so from the get go i wanna have them on AB Food ?
this is where i wonder if that lessons their immune system ? Arielle Thank you for asking here . I do hate that many state vets do not do their jobs . i am wondering if the guy your working with just doesnt know how to read the results and thats better then telling you I dont know how to do the test ?

 

[Beekissed]

You??? How grateful do you think I am?

Seriously...every single time I step into a hot shower I thank the Lord for it. Each and every time for years now...ever since I moved away from the old homestead and got running water and electricity, I've never taken it for granted. More folks need to have several years of roughin' it and then come back to the luxuries of indoor plumbing, light switches and telephones. You'd see a lot less dissatisfied people out there.

Me? I'M RICH. Got all the necessities of a good life..toilet, shower, washing machine~and toilet paper!

 

[Extra Java]

Quote: AWWWE! You've got to be kidding Walt?! We were at the Ventura show too. Took lots of pictures...which were your birds? Maybe I saw them?

 

[Arielle]

WOW learning from this list a lot I know working with the birds is hard ,

Here is where i am Confused .

When a human ,dog ,cat,chicken , Get antibiotics .
the Antibiotics takes over and weakens the disease , Not the natural immune system . as MG attacks the red blood cells


The guy i got my birds from local treats his every week with AB Chick starter
I was also looking up Tylan 10 for chicken feed its like 50 bucks for a 5lb bag

Im trying to learn Now Not fight just asking Questions . I had to do mine in the faces on my turkeys where swollen , parton swollen this was like BOOM i didnt even know anything was wrong until a Guy came and bought chicks from me 2 weeks later coughing and sneezing
guy was just someone who went to roys before me and roy gave him my info

just all so sudden
I wanna learn More so i can Protect my next babies from the Get go .
Still puts me in tears but i have to learn to be better so i can protect the birds better . so from the get go i wanna have them on AB Food ?
this is where i wonder if that lessons their immune system ? Arielle Thank you for asking here . I do hate that many state vets do not do their jobs . i am wondering if the guy your working with just doesnt know how to read the results and thats better then telling you I dont know how to do the test ?

I happened to get the state vet that day.

I dont keep parrots or similar birds. I don't want the 50+ year committment at this point in my life.

Tammy--

From what I understand , birds become carriers and you can't have that with your parrot. You are likely to be limited to the hatchery sources as they do test for everything and can have the birds vaccinated for a number of diseases like cocidia and mereks. I have not looked to see if MG has a vaccine-- that would need careful evalutaion if there is one. OTherwise MG comes in with the wild birds so . . . perhaps having no fowl suspectable to MG would be a better option to protect your parrot.

 

[fowlman01]

AWWWE! You've got to be kidding Walt?! We were at the Ventura show too. Took lots of pictures...which were your birds? Maybe I saw them?

The best American New Hampshire hen was mine and the East Indie and mallard that were best bantam ducks along with 38 other birds that did not get to champion row.
Here is the duck, don't have pics of the New Hamp yet



Walt

 

[Beekissed]

Quote:
Now..if you really want to point a finger at disease running rampant through poultry and other livestock, you can point one at that man and the result you got in your birds and I'll tell you why. The antibiotics do weaken the pathogen and it can even possibly kill them off in such numbers that they no longer affect the host to such a degree. But...what about the pathogens that survived the antibiotic? They survived. Not only did they survive but they then breed more just like themselves, little carbon copies that genetically have a strong resistance to the antibiotic and can thrive past it...they even form a hard shell around their cells so that simple white blood cells found in the average immune system cannot penetrate them. This leaves a bird with a small colony of resistant pathogens strolling into the average flock of birds that are good at resisting the regular run of the mill GM but all the sudden they are exposed to SUPER GM, Resistant to all Evil Antibiotics and WBC that were previously their kryptonite.

The man you got your birds from feeds an antibiotic that is supposed to work on GM.... as a daily feed ration? Pretty soon that's like water off a duck's back to the super GM he is breeding that will travel with his flocks everywhere they go, all the eggs they produce, wreaking havoc on all the birds who would normally resist infection but are presented with an amped up version of GM because Farmer Tom decided to use broad spectrum antibiotics each and every day. Oh..and add to that GM all the other baddies because "broad-spectrum" means just that..is supposed to kill a broad range of pathogens. Lovely. Good job, Farmer Tom.

This is why we have wonderfully strong pathogens that kill those humans who ingest them, like E. coli ST131. The average person is ingesting e.coli sourced from another host for the better part of their lives as they move through this world and their bodies shake it off like it were a fly....no worries. Then drug resistant and superfly strong e.coli gets introduced into our food supply by Farmer Tom~AKA Too lazy and greedy to do things right, so will just feed antibiotics to make up for his shoddy livestock husbandry~and folks...and birds and cows, pigs and sheep... start to die.

Essentially, he is breeding very strong germ genetics that will still be around when he is long dead and gone. <Insert slow clap here> His legacy will live on...and on...and on as each consecutive generation of lazy and greedy farmer feeds the next new drug to the next strong generation of germs. Yahoo. What a great heritage line is being developed...everyone stand up and pay attention to that guy because he is really leaving footprints on this land.

Should you start feeding antibiotic laced feed to your flock? Sure..if you want to develop a strong heritage line of pathogens.

Sorry for the sarcasm and it is not directed towards you, Tammy as you are merely a victim, but this topic really gets my tailfeathers in a flip....

 

[MagicChicken]

Buying South to North and East to West leaves those of us in the southwest with few options.

Which is why I expected more problems with my birds from Minnesota (I am in southern Arizona). I am very happy with the overall vigor of the birds I got from Mr. Urch. They've had a few issues. Not anywhere near as severe as I expected due to the change in conditions from one place to the other. Now I am going to focus on breeding birds to optimize for my location and management conditions. Still holding off on deciding whether or not to show them. They're going into a molt now, so may not be ready for the November show here anyway. I don't mind delaying that show/no show decision. Looking forward to seeing if I can improve the feather quality with some feed changes.

For what it's worth, my chickens showed signs of a very mild Mycoplasma gallisepticum episode back in June. Occasional sneezes and minor sniffles ran through both pens of chickens and symptoms cleared on their own after 24-48 hours. If symptoms had been severe enough to require treatment I would have culled the birds. I also have pet cockatiels. The cockatiels are 20 years old. They have not gotten MG. My chickens run free outside, mingling with the wild birds. The cockatiels are indoors. I usually wash my hands before handling the cockatiels if I have been handling chickens, but I am not obsessive about biosecurity. Since both pens of my chickens were exposed to the wild bird population here, and since both pens of chickens got MG about the same time, I suspect that the wild birds were the source of this episode. If that is the case I could cull all of my chickens and still have to deal with MG in the future, because I am not going to keep the chickens locked inside all the time. If I had to have indoor chickens I would just buy the cheap chicken meat at the grocery store and save myself a lot of money.

If I thought that the chickens themselves were the source of the MG and not the wild birds, I would cull the whole flock and start over. But it looks like the source was the wild birds, so culling the chickens makes little sense. Breeding resistant chickens seems to be the way to go in my location because any new chickens from outside will also be exposed and may not be resistant. So that is what I will work toward. Vigor first, and if I can improve type at the same time that's great.

These decisions are based on my personal goal for my flock: eggs and meat from healthy, beautiful birds that are good foragers. Showing and sales are not top on my list. The only reason I am considering showing is because the breed is relatively rare (black javas) and showing is one of the best ways to increase awareness of the breed. It is a way of giving back to the poultry community and helping the breed survive.