Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[gjensen]

Lacy, there is no link. PM me with your email address again. I want to send them to you. My email address has changed, and lost some of my contacts. I found the other thing I was telling you about to.

 

[ocap]

For what it's worth . . . teachers have always complimented me on my well behaved children. I've raised my kids with the same respect and care that I raised my dogs.

carry that thought to children, dogs and chickens.....the adult human must be the alpha in the family, pack and flock

 

[Arielle]

Quote: IT is a huge responsibility. Though DOgs are easier than children. ANd chickens . . I can eat. lol

 

[pigsflyacres]

So I went thru TDL's worming and feeding schedule...thank you very much. I've used some of those wormers before, but not so scheduled. Wazine and Safeguard are readily available.

Do any of you use Ivermectin and if so why and when? I've used it in the past when all of a sudden the exterior bugs were a problem. I've always got some setting around and I have no concerns about over dosing.

I don't worm horses unless its warranted. Mostly for them its about management, exposure and timing of worming. Clear fecals in horses mean very little if done at the wrong time. So I'm curious about others worming practices. Also worming products and schedules should be different in different parts of the country....at least that is true with horses.

Jennifer

 

[LindaB220]

So I went thru TDL's worming and feeding schedule...thank you very much. I've used some of those wormers before, but not so scheduled. Wazine and Safeguard are readily available.

Do any of you use Ivermectin and if so why and when? I've used it in the past when all of a sudden the exterior bugs were a problem. I've always got some setting around and I have no concerns about over dosing.

I don't worm horses unless its warranted. Mostly for them its about management, exposure and timing of worming. Clear fecals in horses mean very little if done at the wrong time. So I'm curious about others worming practices. Also worming products and schedules should be different in different parts of the country....at least that is true with horses.

Jennifer

Yeah, Jennifer, I'm quite interested in hearing the answer to this also

And

 

[gjensen]

Vickie, I saw the pictures you are talking about. That was obviously poor condition. I thought to myself "what did they do to those birds?."

I do not think we are on the same subject though. When I grew out the NHs and Catalanas side by side, there was a difference in the feather quality. That was not management, that was genetic. One would make me look good, and the other, not so much. The difference was noticeable at 8 and 12 wks. The NHs that have not been messed up yet have excellent father quality. That came with the birds.

When I got my Cats, I figured that they were in poor condition. They were, but a lot of what I was seeing was poor feather. Weak feathers. I am making them sound worse than they are, but the point is the difference between the two strains.

Some birds, you can shoot with steroids and you are still only going to get so much out of them.

 

[RedRidge]

So I went thru TDL's worming and feeding schedule...thank you very much.  I've used some of those wormers before, but not so scheduled.  Wazine and Safeguard are readily available.  

Do any of you use Ivermectin and if so why and when?  I've used it in the past when all of a sudden the exterior bugs were a problem.  I've always got some setting around and I have no concerns about over dosing.  

I don't worm horses unless its warranted.  Mostly for them its about management, exposure and timing of worming.  Clear fecals in horses mean very little if done at the wrong time.  So I'm curious about others worming practices.  Also worming products and schedules should be different in different parts of the country....at least that is true with horses.  

Jennifer

I guess my question would be... If you don't worm horses unless warranted, why would you do anything different for any other type of livestock?
Checking fecals periodically should give you the feedback you need to know when something is warranted. I live in the hot and humid southeast and yet have never wormed a chicken and have not wormed a sheep in 3 years. Rotational grazing combined with breeding and culling for parasite resistance has eliminated that necessity.
So... If fecals prove it is not warranted why would you?

 

[pigsflyacres]

I guess my question would be... If you don't worm horses unless warranted, why would you do anything different for any other type of livestock?
Checking fecals periodically should give you the feedback you need to know when something is warranted. I live in the hot and humid southeast and yet have never wormed a chicken and have not wormed a sheep in 3 years. Rotational grazing combined with breeding and culling for parasite resistance has eliminated that necessity.
So... If fecals prove it is not warranted why would you?

So, my goal with my horse isn't that he's worm free, but that the load doesn't tax his system. I can have lots of clear fecals and still have a horse with worms. A clear fecal just says that there is no shedding going on when I test. If I have a clear fecal and it seems like my horse is not as glossy as he should be, and nothing else has changed, I'm going to think about worming.

I just don't know if clear fecals in chickens is the same. A chicken is going to have greater exposure to parasites. Its certainly something for me to think about. I don't like planned rotational use of wormers. I think it just breeds resistance in the worm population. However, when warranted and its for a reason, then yes. Some areas of the country just have different problems too. I'm blessed to live in an area where we don't have some of the parasite and disease problems that other parts of the country have.

Jennifer

 

[RedRidge]

I guess my question would be... If you don't worm horses unless warranted, why would you do anything different for any other type of livestock?

Checking fecals periodically should give you the feedback you need to know when something is warranted. I live in the hot and humid southeast and yet have never wormed a chicken and have not wormed a sheep in 3 years. Rotational grazing combined with breeding and culling for parasite resistance has eliminated that necessity.

So... If fecals prove it is not warranted why would you?

So, my goal with my horse isn't that he's worm free, but that the load doesn't tax his system.  I can have lots of clear fecals and still have a horse with worms.  A clear fecal just says that there is no shedding going on when I test.  If I have a clear fecal and it seems like my horse is not as glossy as he should be, and nothing else has changed, I'm going to think about worming.  

I just don't know if clear fecals in chickens is the same.  A chicken is going to have greater exposure to parasites. Its certainly something for me to think about.  I don't like planned rotational use of wormers.  I think it just breeds resistance in the worm population.  However, when warranted and its for a reason, then yes.  Some areas of the country just have different problems too.  I'm blessed to live in an area where we don't have some of the parasite and disease problems that other parts of the country have.  

Jennifer 

Exactly. No livestock is parasite free. It's how they handle their load that is important. Well said.

 

[thedragonlady]

Exactly. No livestock is parasite free. It's how they handle their load that is important. Well said.

I agree with this, except for baby chicks. They pick up roundworms on their eggs at hatching time, much as puppies pick up roundworms from nursing their dam. To get maximum growth, i know I have to routinely worm my chicks when young, or their growth will be affected.My young birds free range with the adults, so they are exposed to other parasites during their most rapid period of growth. I'd much rather feed the birds, not the parasites.

I also have imported birds in my flock. I've found that they have a low tolerance to US parasites in the first 2 generations.After exposure, the subsequent generations do develop some ability to cope with those parasites, but it takes time.

Parasite control is unique to each flock's climate, strain, and management. Each breeder has to find out what works best for their birds.