Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[LindaB220]

Thanks. I don't do FB but my son does. The point is now moot. Jason ordered 25 Buckeye pullets and 5 cockerels for them. I guess Jason is going to pay for them too. The guy works in a lumber mill and barely stays ahead of the bills and he works around here when he can. Jason is going to help them get off to the right start on feeding and care. At least that old property they bought has a better chicken house that the one they live in. (only slightly exaggerating) but they will have their chickens.

Thanks again.

RON

Good for him Jason is obviously a pay it forward type.

 

[3riverschick]

We seem to be stalled, where is everyone?

Guess it's because it finally got warm outside.

Best,
Karen

 

[brahmabreeder]

I was at the fair for AG. day. I brought four Brahmas and 11 chicks( that I finally managed to get hatched out ). About 1,000+ first graders showed up to learn a bit about the various animals.

 

[Wisher1000]

Here's some fodder......

Someone on the Campine thread asked what you look for when deciding to cull. Mine was not the only reply, but I thought I would share it here. I invite criticism and/or discussion.

Quote:

Here is my philosophy. I used a strategy to develop this based on judging according to SOP. I am a list person, and needed something to go by. I couldn't find one that made sense to me, so I developed my own. I read the first forty pages of the SOP (and continue to do so, over and over) and then looked at the point system to determine what is, or is supposed to be, given the most weight (in non-white birds) and I put them in order based on that. On MY list, I included what the SOP says is the ideal for the Campine in each area. I won't type all of that, you can find it in the SOP.

1. Health, vigor, and production are paramount.

2. Strive for ideal in a) shape, b) size, and c) color (in that order.)
Look at what SOP calls for in these areas (in this order)

SHAPE - in three groups that have similar point values
Back
Breast

Body and Fluff
Legs and Toes
Comb

Tail
Wings
Skull and Face

SIZE - 6lbs for cocks and 4lbs for hens. ( I whole heartedly agree with Preston on this, most Campines are too small and I strive for the ideal weight as my minimum. being a few ounces over the ideal is no different than being a few ounces under. However, the larger bird is preferred in the show. Everyone, including the judges, likes larger birds, but keep in mind that Camipines are supposed to be medium sized, close feathered, large fowl.)


COLOR - I understand why most people advise to "build the barn before you paint it," but when you are looking at each part of the bird, you need to be considering color as well. I wouldn't keep a bird with a correct back if it were not barred. I would keep the better colored breast over the same shaped breast with poorer coloring. The second section requires attention to color in Fluff, Legs, and Comb, as well as the last one, Face. Shape is the first consideration, but color is important, too.

This strategy has not been proven, but it is what I intend to use. Feel free to use it or ask questions. I hope this helps.

 

[LindaB220]

Here's some fodder......

Someone on the Campine thread asked what you look for when deciding to cull. Mine was not the only reply, but I thought I would share it here. I invite criticism and/or discussion.

Quote:

Here is my philosophy. I used a strategy to develop this based on judging according to SOP. I am a list person, and needed something to go by. I couldn't find one that made sense to me, so I developed my own. I read the first forty pages of the SOP (and continue to do so, over and over) and then looked at the point system to determine what is, or is supposed to be, given the most weight (in non-white birds) and I put them in order based on that. On MY list, I included what the SOP says is the ideal for the Campine in each area. I won't type all of that, you can find it in the SOP.

1. Health, vigor, and production are paramount.

2. Strive for ideal in a) shape, b) size, and c) color (in that order.)
Look at what SOP calls for in these areas (in this order)

SHAPE - in three groups that have similar point values
Back
Breast

Body and Fluff
Legs and Toes
Comb

Tail
Wings
Skull and Face

SIZE - 6lbs for cocks and 4lbs for hens. ( I whole heartedly agree with Preston on this, most Campines are too small and I strive for the ideal weight as my minimum. being a few ounces over the ideal is no different than being a few ounces under. However, the larger bird is preferred in the show. Everyone, including the judges, likes larger birds, but keep in mind that Camipines are supposed to be medium sized, close feathered, large fowl.)


COLOR - I understand why most people advise to "build the barn before you paint it," but when you are looking at each part of the bird, you need to be considering color as well. I wouldn't keep a bird with a correct back if it were not barred. I would keep the better colored breast over the same shaped breast with poorer coloring. The second section requires attention to color in Fluff, Legs, and Comb, as well as the last one, Face. Shape is the first consideration, but color is important, too.

This strategy has not been proven, but it is what I intend to use. Feel free to use it or ask questions. I hope this helps.

 

[gjensen]

Here's some fodder......

Someone on the Campine thread asked what you look for when deciding to cull. Mine was not the only reply, but I thought I would share it here. I invite criticism and/or discussion.

Quote:

Here is my philosophy. I used a strategy to develop this based on judging according to SOP. I am a list person, and needed something to go by. I couldn't find one that made sense to me, so I developed my own. I read the first forty pages of the SOP (and continue to do so, over and over) and then looked at the point system to determine what is, or is supposed to be, given the most weight (in non-white birds) and I put them in order based on that. On MY list, I included what the SOP says is the ideal for the Campine in each area. I won't type all of that, you can find it in the SOP.

1. Health, vigor, and production are paramount.

2. Strive for ideal in a) shape, b) size, and c) color (in that order.)
Look at what SOP calls for in these areas (in this order)

SHAPE - in three groups that have similar point values
Back
Breast

Body and Fluff
Legs and Toes
Comb

Tail
Wings
Skull and Face

SIZE - 6lbs for cocks and 4lbs for hens. ( I whole heartedly agree with Preston on this, most Campines are too small and I strive for the ideal weight as my minimum. being a few ounces over the ideal is no different than being a few ounces under. However, the larger bird is preferred in the show. Everyone, including the judges, likes larger birds, but keep in mind that Camipines are supposed to be medium sized, close feathered, large fowl.)


COLOR - I understand why most people advise to "build the barn before you paint it," but when you are looking at each part of the bird, you need to be considering color as well. I wouldn't keep a bird with a correct back if it were not barred. I would keep the better colored breast over the same shaped breast with poorer coloring. The second section requires attention to color in Fluff, Legs, and Comb, as well as the last one, Face. Shape is the first consideration, but color is important, too.

This strategy has not been proven, but it is what I intend to use. Feel free to use it or ask questions. I hope this helps.

Build the barn before you paint is easier when you are dealing with an all white bird. I agree with it as a matter of priority, but with some varieties, you can ignore for a few years if you want to . . . .

 

[hellbender]

Good for him Jason is obviously a pay it forward type.

Well, he is to some degree. The recipient of Jason's largess is a kid he went to school with and he helps around here when he can. He works very hard here and at his regular job, determined to better his lot and take good care of his growing family. If this was some feckless bum, Jason wouldn't give him the time of day.

EDIT: Today was the first of the clinic. it was very interesting. I now fully understand why Mr. Mong specified three days to get the full understanding. Even with that, there will be some considerable amount of practice required.

3riverschick...Jason will soon be in touch with you. 'Your' bunnies are out and moving around like crazy...cutest things on the farm! Get ready for your 'road-trip'. I'm not certain the exact location but you can't be more than 3 hours from Elkins. It will be smarter for him to meet you in town and have you follow him here because there are no signs and you would have to stop and ask a dozen folks for directions otherwise.

If you have time, I understand there might be a rabbit meal in store if you have time. Jason is anxious to show someone other than me that he can cook!

 

[Big Orp]

I should be getting my first pure bred barred rocks from Jeremy Woeppel next week some time. I am excited to be getting birds of this quality. And can't wait to see how they turn out. I just got an adult pair of pure bred BO's and 3 pullet off spring and could not believe the size difference between the pure bred and my hatchery BO's.

 

[3riverschick]

Well, he is to some degree. The recipient of Jason's largess is a kid he went to school with and he helps around here when he can. He works very hard here and at his regular job, determined to better his lot and take good care of his growing family. If this was some feckless bum, Jason wouldn't give him the time of day.

EDIT: Today was the first of the clinic. it was very interesting. I now fully understand why Mr. Mong specified three days to get the full understanding. Even with that, there will be some considerable amount of practice required.

3riverschick...Jason will soon be in touch with you. 'Your' bunnies are out and moving around like crazy...cutest things on the farm! Get ready for your 'road-trip'. I'm not certain the exact location but you can't be more than 3 hours from Elkins. It will be smarter for him to meet you in town and have you follow him here because there are no signs and you would have to stop and ask a dozen folks for directions otherwise.

If you have time, I understand there might be a rabbit meal in store if you have time. Jason is anxious to show someone other than me that he can cook!

Hi Ron! Oh that's wonderful! Hubby Bob and I are working on the hutches. It's warm up here now, finally! We can put them under the old cherry tree. When we finally fell it, no problem to make it fall the other direction, smile. I am so excited. Thanks!! and especially thank you, Jason!! Yum, rabbit, yeah, we can schedule a trip round that, smile. I was talking to my 95 yr. old Mom last night. We were reminiscing about eating rabbit. She hasn't had it in yrs. either. Where she is, in north county San Diego, it runs about the same as Filet Mignon. She used to make "Maryland Rabbit" out of the 1951 Betty Crocker Picture Cookbook. Braised the rabbit and then smothered it in cream gravy made from the drippings. Hadn't had it in decades. I know there are a lot of great ways to cook rabbit. So happy Hubby Bob is skilled at processing them. Can't wait to have a new item in the freezer. Not these 5 tho, they are the fountainhead, smile.
Which of the 3 routes is the best to take to Elkins? Ignore steps 1 and 2. We live on the other side of the valley from them.
It's a small valley

http://www.mapquest.com/#d82729030913855e9855e22c Nuts, it doesn't give search results.
Just type in Ligonier , PA 15658 and Elkins, WV.
Best,
Karen

 

[hellbender]

Hi Ron! Oh that's wonderful! Hubby Bob and I are working on the hutches. It's warm up here now, finally! We can put them under the old cherry tree. When we finally fell it, no problem to make it fall the other direction, smile. I am so excited. Thanks!! and especially thank you, Jason!! Yum, rabbit, yeah, we can schedule a trip round that, smile. I was talking to my 95 yr. old Mom last night. We were reminiscing about eating rabbit. She hasn't had it in yrs. either. Where she is, in north county San Diego, it runs about the same as Filet Mignon. She used to make "Maryland Rabbit" out of the 1951 Betty Crocker Picture Cookbook. Braised the rabbit and then smothered it in cream gravy made from the drippings. Hadn't had it in decades. I know there are a lot of great ways to cook rabbit. So happy Hubby Bob is skilled at processing them. Can't wait to have a new item in the freezer. Not these 5 tho, they are the fountainhead, smile.
Which of the 3 routes is the best to take to Elkins? Ignore steps 1 and 2. We live on the other side of the valley from them.
It's a small valley

http://www.mapquest.com/#d82729030913855e9855e22c Nuts, it doesn't give search results.
Just type in Ligonier , PA 15658 and Elkins, WV.
Best,
Karen

South on 79 to Weston/Buckhannon exit. 33 East to Elkins. Getting to the farm would far more complicated than having Jason meet you in Elkins and having you follow him. It's only about 22 miles to the farm from Elkins but there are essentially no road signs that wouldn't confuse you and there's little doubt he would have to come hunt you down anyhow!