Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[Yellow House Farm]

If you'll use the creep feeder, and continue to feed medicated feed for a few weeks, you will not have this problem.It's the STRESS of moving, that lets the coccidia get a hold.Continue the medicated feed, and minimize the stress, and you won't have losses.

 

[thedragonlady]

Vickie

My young ones go to a totally separate grow out pen where they are not anywhere around grown birds and they still get the medicated feed. I do try to put them on the ground by around 8 weeks

Do you think a creep feeder is useful in this scenario?

How many birds in how big a open? Are these all birds that have been living all together in a brooder, or are you mixing groups? Something is triggering the coccidia to multiply.Generally it is stress.If you have older birds in that pen, and you add younger ones...Bingo = Stress= coccidia outbreak.

 

[Fred's Hens]

Thanks Joseph.

Now let's go a bit deeper, or broader, if you will. I put three different males (all "brothers") over a select 3 hens. Then, hatched a batch of chicks from each mating. The #2 male absolutely produced a far superior batch of offspring. Noticeably. Would you describe this noticeable difference a a difference in nicking, or a the one male being prepotent or something else?

 

[Beekissed]

I've been doing it all wrong..... dang it.

 

[Pozees]

pre·po·ten·cy (pr

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n.
1. The condition of being greater in power, influence, or force than another or others; predominance.
2. Genetics The ability of one parent, variety, or strain to transmit individual traits to an offspring, apparently to the exclusion of the other parent, variety, or strain.

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Fred, this is the definition I found, is this what you have in mind for discussion? I am in Finding or developing a bird capable of stamping itself on its offspring, regardless of the qualities of the other parent, is an exciting prospect. Taking it to the next step, that is, creating offspring that not only look like the parent but can reproduce themselves in like manner, would be a stupendous accomplishment. As long as the progenitor is healthy and typey.

In other breeds, linebreeding is generally considered the path to this outcome. Is it so in chickens as well? I would think one would have to have thorough knowledge of the underlying genetics of one's stock, meaning possibly several test breedings to confirm what is or is not hiding from you phenotypically.

 

[catdaddyfro]

then I would say the parent stock has never been exposed to coccidia, in which case the chicks are receiving no maternal antibodies... so yeah if that happens then you would have to use corid until the chicks have developed their own immunity. personally I would find another source of chicks.

I think if the man says he's been rearing birds in the same spot for 50 years, his stuff has been exposed and I figure he knows what he's talking about. In fact his credentials tell me he knows what he's doing/ done. I've not raised birds for 50 years but did for about 25 and in large numbers(multi-thousands anually) and due to circumstances and needing to know how to work in and run the business one must surely learn how to keep them alive or you'll end up busted and broke. I don't work in the broiler industry anymore but I do carry over my experience/studies and learning into my project of poultry rearing and gonna try to make in the poultry world as a good breeder some day too. J/S

good day

Jeff

 

[Beekissed]

Yes. It would be safe to say that Walt knows what he's talking about.

 

[Arielle]

Yup.

 

[Arielle]

Prepotency is different than nicking. Nicking is when the two parents produce better than themselves. It is the combo of genes that is supperior. Reminds me of the cornishX.

Would nicking come into play in the rotational system of breeding?

 

[OSUman]

Prepotency is different than nicking. Nicking is when the two parents produce better than themselves. It is the combo of genes that is supperior. Reminds me of the cornishX.

Would nicking come into play in the rotational system of breeding?

The entire point of breeding is to produce offspring that is superior to the birds it came from.