Hey Gang! Whatcha think of my plans and Rooster issue?

Welcome to chickens. They are wonderful pets that can lay your breakfast. I built an 8x10 coop and it's already toooo small....so much for just "5 - 6 birds for fresh eggs"

I have experience with chicks 2 different ages and intigration of those chicks to an exsisting flock. First, take a deep breath. Second, remember they have bird brains and really don't think about things in the depth we do. I tend to put my "new" birds in much earlier than most people do....about 4 weeks old (Depending on outside temps)....HOWEVER I have an upside down laundry basket tacked to the back wall, at a very low level, so only the younger birds can scoot under it....Mainly they just ignore the little ones....once in a while a hen will peck at one that gets out of line, but usually there is peace in the coop.

Where are you going to brood your chicks? Can you make/build a LONG brooder that has hardware cloth dividers in it to separate the different sizes/ages? It seems you are going to have 3 ages....however you may find that you only have 2 sizes because the the breeds you have chosen. Use a red brooder light, it's more calming for the chicks and they can't see any blood, if someone does get evil and attack one of their brooder mates. Add new ANYTHING at night. No matter if you are adding to the brooder, the coop or the flock in general...do it at night when it is dark. (I have a hat with a light on it, it's wonderful for adding things in the dark....Father's day is coming, might want to put one on the wish list)

Roosters are wonderful. They will protect the flock...HA!!! They will ALERT the flock and alarm the flock if something isn't just right...."protect"? Not likely....they can outrun the hens and make it back to the coop faster.
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With that said, I have 3....two were raised as hatchmates and one was purchased as an adult. I don't have them for flock reasons I have them for breeding....I want fertile eggs so I can hatch my replacements. If you don't have a rooster a hen will step up and take over the "protection" role. BUT most people like the sound of a rooster, so I don't think you are going to have a problem with noise complaints. My neighbors missed my roosters crowing when I got rid of a bunch who were NASTY, before the new ones got old enough to crow. Most roosters don't crow all day.....Just when they want to be noticed.

Now about your building materials. 1x2 wire for the run? You won't be able to let the chicks out in the run until they can't fit through the holes and chickens are mainly feathers and can fit through smaller spaces then you would think. I had one hatchling fit through the hole in chicken wire, but couldn't find his way back to his Momma.
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Like I said "bird brains".

What predators did you say you might have to deal with? Coons? They will reach through and grab the neck of your birds and bite their heads off. EWWW!!! Possums too. How about rats? They eat eggs and chicks....one sneaks in through the wire and gets in the coop and sets up housekeeping. OK...I'm lieing, the birds will peck the heck out of the rat if they can, but he will steal your eggs and bite your chicks. (My chickens amuse themselves chasing the squirrels around the yard. And there is a dead one on the lawn....hope he died of natural causes) Snakes? They love chicks and eggs. Esp eggs. Are you doing to close your pop door (entrance from the coop to the run) every night? (FYI that gets OLD really really fast) If you build your run so nothing can get in (meaning hardware cloth instead of 1x2, at least on the bottom half) you don't have to make sure that the pop door is closed every night (365 days a year, 366 this year). Yes, it is more expensive, but how much is your time worth 365 days a year? Oh and planning your day to be home to close it before the predators sneak in. Did I meantion if you close it every night you have to OPEN it every morning? (I haven't closed my pop door yet. Well, ok, once or twice to catch a roo that ****** me off, but not regularly) And I strongly recommend you have an outside entrance to your run. I don't. It is my ONLY regret in my design....I can't get in the run to clean, retrieve mislaid eggs or add floor covering.

My first egg cost me $1200. (Not counting food) My coop has vinyl siding, however. I'm getting old and didn't need another building to paint every 5 - 8 years. The rest of the eggs were free. (again, not counting food) Compared to what my sister in law spends on photographing her kids (she has 8 right now) it's not as expensive a hobby as you might think. And what other hobby can you eat what pisses you off?

Definately get the Brahmas. You won't regret it. They lay wonderful eggs. And they are a big bird, so they won' t be tiny chicks.


Cass, I am planning on brooding them in a 5' x5' corrugated plastic Dog whelping box in my garage ... the cars will be parked outside while chicks are in there. I have two red heat bulbs and I plan on using sand as a base ... so making a divider will be a piece of cake, or even making a bigger brooder out of barn wood can happen as well.

As far as the wire, I have been thinking about going to a smaller size ... the predators we have are fox, coyote, coons (tho I have not seen any as the wooded areas are hundreds of yards away) and hawks up the ying yang ... only snakes we have here are garter snakes ,,, plenty of them ... I am thinking THEY will be the prey and the chickens will be the predators here.


OK, that 4 sq feet is just a generalization. Annie has a wonderful set up, with very few or no problems, and has a LOT less space per bird than 4 sq feet. She does use her vertical space to give the chickens places to get away from each other; roosts at various heights both in the coop and in the run. She uses natural tree limbs in the runs, her birds love them.

My point? You can probably have 40 chickens in that space with few problems. And you eat the problems. Remember to subscribe to the NY Chicken Lover's thread, so you can keep up with what your fellow NY State chicken lovers are up too.

40???? ....um ....... OK!!!
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I signed up to the NY thread earlier today .... see you there!
 
First things first!
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I love your enthusiasm!

I think you are going to have a great time with your chickens. I don't have your amount of space, I live in a city setting on a third of an acre, but we have a 35'x20' space and 4 chickens. I am planning to add a few more, but no more than 8 will stay. We had a hen set 3 eggs last summer and got 2 pullets and a roo. We ate him, as I'm just keeping hens and I couldn't find anyone who wanted him that wasn't going to eat him themselves... I got my first girls last Feb, so this is my first year with chickens. What I have found so far is that they do take some care, especially if you have a small flock and don't want to lose any. We lost a hen early to lice, apparently she was hanging out with the wild birds too much and caught them, before I knew it she was ill because of it. I now check my girls once a week. We are organic, and don't use any poison's or chemicals, so I am dusting them with DE (food grade) weekly, and I have now learned the fine art of bathing and blow drying a chicken, they actually seem to enjoy it. My husband and I laughed at what we were doing and agreed 15 years ago, this life we are having never entered our minds.
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Who knows sometimes the mystery of choices and life.

Anyway, I know a lot of people think that all a chicken needs is a 4x4 space, but we started off with an eglu with a 9'x3' run and 3 girls, and have had to grow the chicken area, as the smaller the pen, the smellier the pen. I don't think it's healthy to crowd animals at this point, as I think you start getting a lot of bad habits or illness. I am learning that they need space and some entertainment, so they don't go crazy and/or peck each other. We do have to pay attention to them, noticing if there is pecking, or bugs, or injuries. I have had to learn some veterinary skills, when a hawk scared the girls and one cut her face on the fence, and when my Flygirl got sick and I had to feed her with a dropper, and then decide it was time to cull her after 2 weeks of getting very attached to her. With two girls we got eggs consistently from one, while the other went broody 3 times last year and wouldn't lay, only to molt and not lay then either. Now with 4 girls, the 2 younger ones have just started laying, we are getting about 2 eggs a day average, hopefully 3 soon. But, I have to say that I love it. I love what learning to care for animals is teaching me, I love that I feel a little more independent, I love watching them move around in the grass or come running to me when I have their morning treats (better than a goldfish pond), and I have loved being more connected to the cycle of life.

I wish you a wonderful journey!
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Thank you, Lyssa! I will start with the 14 hens and 2 roosters in a 9x12 coop and an 8x28 run ... now I am not making any promises that I won't pick up 2-4 more chicks from TSC once I get my first batch :D .... but I am over building to be able to provide for just such an "emergency" :D .... our birds will only "free range" for an hour before sunset under supervision .... I can't WAIT!!!!!!
 
Update .... more questions :D

The place I am buying my sand for my run and maybe coop for dropped off a few bags of samples of his rough sand ....

This is what they call filter sand ... I think this is slightly bigger than the one below

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And this is just called coarse sand ... both look very similiar but this one seems to have smaller grains in it as well

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Do you think it matters? Everything I read makes me want to go with the first one.

Also, I was thinking about re-purposing this old 4'x6' wagon the previous owner left into a brooder .... thoughts? I will be brooding them in the garage ....

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And here is a shot of the side of the barn that the run is going to come out of....(I told you there would be alot of pics :D

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Oh yeah ... first batch of chicks come one week from today!!! :weee: :celebrate: The feed store keeps them overnight and makes sure they are hydrated before the customers take them ... that's a good thing, yes?

I also might add a few Welsummers to my flock ... :plbb
 
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OK ... did some work on the brooder to be ... cut the rotten part of the sides down and replaced a bug infest 2x4 on the side .... I also added the beams across the top for the heat lamps .... gonna put a floor over the existing one as it has some rotten spots that left some pretty good divots .... will post a pick in a few hours of how it finished....

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Oh yeah, my 2,000 meal worms came today so I will be setting them up as well and posting pics on the other thread .....

65 degrees and sunny .... working on the brooded...chicks coming in a few days ... it's days like these that drop me to my knees and thank the AWESOME God we have :)
 
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Wow - everything looks so good!

I love your enthusiasm and your beautiful land - it looks lovely.
We have 4 hens are looking to rescue 2 more who need a home. Ours is a small potatoes operation, but we love our chickens and you will love yours, too. How great for your boy! We have a family with 2 children who live with us and the girls (12 & 15) are nuts for the chickens. There is nothing like finding that first egg - unless it is collecting several!

We aren't mealworm farming yet, but my hens love the freeze dried ones.

The very best of luck to you and I will enjoy seeing your pics as you post them. Welcome to the wonderful chicken world!

Kate
 
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I just love finding uses for old stuff! I call it "cooking with leftovers"!

The brooder looks terrific! Lots of room and the high sides are great! Those little buggers will be trying to fly out by the end of the second week.

Can you make the tail-gate a side access into the brooder? If you possibly can access the chicks from the side instead of reaching in from up above, they'll be much more calm and trusting. They have a natural fear of anything coming at them from above, so accessing them from the side will result in a more enjoyable interaction with them. People often complain their chicks fear them more as time goes by, rather than becoming more used to them. This is the main reason why chicks are skittish.
 
Can you make the tail-gate a side access into the brooder? If you possibly can access the chicks from the side instead of reaching in from up above, they'll be much more calm and trusting. They have a natural fear of anything coming at them from above, so accessing them from the side will result in a more enjoyable interaction with them. People often complain their chicks fear them more as time goes by, rather than becoming more used to them. This is the main reason why chicks are skittish.


The tail gate lifts up so I can just pull it up and out. Is that what you mean? Great thought, btw! What's nice about the wagon is it sits up high, so pulling the tail end out when I am visiting, I will just have to kneel and I will be face to face with them :)
 
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Why kneel? It's high enough so you could place a stool or bench at the tail gate for "visiting hours"! That's another dividend to side access - saves wear and tear on the back. I suggest you add a ten inch threshold across the back to hold bedding in place and also keep tiny chicks from falling out while you clean and visit.

I learned about scared chicks and trying to access the brooder box placed on the floor with my second batch of babies. My very first chicks came to me at three weeks old from Craig's List, and they had already been rendered extremely "people friendly" by their first human. I raised the second batch of a dozen Wyandottes from day-olds. They never did learn to trust being handled, always scared of hands reaching for them.

I ran across a BYC post discussing this problem right before my third batch of babies were to arrive. That's when the lightbulb went off in my head. My Wyandotte chicks had been every bit as scared of my hands reaching in for them from the top of the brooder as they might have had I been a hawk diving at them from the sky!

I got busy making a brooder I could place on a table and I cut an access door in the side. When the chicks came, they were trusting and friendly from day one! I've done all my brooders this way ever since, and have never had a single baby chick run away from me in fear. All have grown up to be easily handled while my Wyandottes still run from me when I need to pick them up.

If you really want chicks who will be eager to interact with their humans, try cutting windows in your brooder so they can see the world and the people in it. (I used cardboard appliance boxes or my brooders and I simply taped plastic over the holes.) This helps them become used to people earlier, and it makes for adult chickens who won't run from you in screeching fright when you approach them
 

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