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[Q9]

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Sounds like Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove. I've been meaning to check it out. Although it wasn't M-16s, it was AK-47s. Sorry, it seems like a minor detail, but I love the AK guns and would hate to have them mistaken for an M-16.

Plus, I nitpick things like that.

I don't remember what the name of the battle was, but it was the Middle Ages, England vs France, as usual. The English were heavily outnumbered by the French knights - however, the French rode in through a fairly confined area over marshy ground. English longbows decimated them. Cool thing I read about longbows - until repeating rifles showed up, a longbow could place shots faster and more accurately than any other weapon. The problem being that a good longbowman took years to train.

 

[Chickenrandomness]

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dont forget brownings, mg, kar98k, mp40, stg's....

and I wasn't even talking guns

Ok, jet engines, rockets....

MP40s, BF Me 109s, BF110s, Sten guns, grease guns, Panhard armored cars, Tiger Is, Tiger IIs, M3 stuarts, T-34s, Mosin Naggants, Colt 1911s, Enfields, Springfields, Browning Automatic Rifles (BAR), Luger 08s, and Churchill IIIs

(all that was typed by memory)

 

[Dunkopf]

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Sounds like Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove. I've been meaning to check it out. Although it wasn't M-16s, it was AK-47s. Sorry, it seems like a minor detail, but I love the AK guns and would hate to have them mistaken for an M-16.

Plus, I nitpick things like that.

I don't remember what the name of the battle was, but it was the Middle Ages, England vs France, as usual. The English were heavily outnumbered by the French knights - however, the French rode in through a fairly confined area over marshy ground. English longbows decimated them. Cool thing I read about longbows - until repeating rifles showed up, a longbow could place shots faster and more accurately than any other weapon. The problem being that a good longbowman took years to train.

I do believe you are correct. Turtledove was the author for sure. I heard AK-47's can be fired even after dropping them in mud. The M-16's jamb so easy because of the gas rings. Used to really suck when you were trying to qualify and you had to eject a jammed round.The target usually dropped by the time you got a fresh round in. Hate to think what it would be like having someone rushing you and you can't get a round in the chamber.

 

[Q9]

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Sounds like Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove. I've been meaning to check it out. Although it wasn't M-16s, it was AK-47s. Sorry, it seems like a minor detail, but I love the AK guns and would hate to have them mistaken for an M-16.

Plus, I nitpick things like that.

I don't remember what the name of the battle was, but it was the Middle Ages, England vs France, as usual. The English were heavily outnumbered by the French knights - however, the French rode in through a fairly confined area over marshy ground. English longbows decimated them. Cool thing I read about longbows - until repeating rifles showed up, a longbow could place shots faster and more accurately than any other weapon. The problem being that a good longbowman took years to train.

I do believe you are correct. Turtledove was the author for sure. I heard AK-47's can be fired even after dropping them in mud. The M-16's jamb so easy because of the gas rings. Used to really suck when you were trying to qualify and you had to eject a jammed round.The target usually dropped by the time you got a fresh round in. Hate to think what it would be like having someone rushing you and you can't get a round in the chamber.

Yeah, the AR type weapons (M-16, M-4) tend to have more jamming problems than AKs - that said, they've greatly improved since they were first invented. A friend actually torture-tested his AR-15 and went 6 months without cleaning the thing, but it still worked darn well despite having a lot of rounds put through it. AKs are practically invulnerable when it comes to stuff jamming it, with one exception. They HATE sand. Fortunately, it takes a lot of sand to get one to jam. Saw one guy on Youtube take his AK, shove it into the mud, take it out, and fire off all 30 rounds perfectly. I searched for "AR-15 mud test" but nobody wanted to risk their $1500 rifle.

 

[Q9]

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and I wasn't even talking guns

Ok, jet engines, rockets....

MP40s, BF Me 109s, BF110s, Sten guns, grease guns, Panhard armored cars, Tiger Is, Tiger IIs, M3 stuarts, T-34s, Mosin Naggants, Colt 1911s, Enfields, Springfields, Browning Automatic Rifles (BAR), Luger 08s, and Churchill IIIs

(all that was typed by memory)

The Mosin was around in World War One, as well. I've read about Afghan snipers using the things when nothing else is available, making it possibly one of the longest-serving rifles in history. And they kick hard, I can tell you that from personal experience.

Not as hard as a K98, though. When the Germans designed those, they thought of everything except recoil pads. Which only makes it manlier.

 

[thekid]

what about the 30 - 40 Krag? i got one of those sitting around here...

 

[Boyd]

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Sounds like Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove. I've been meaning to check it out. Although it wasn't M-16s, it was AK-47s. Sorry, it seems like a minor detail, but I love the AK guns and would hate to have them mistaken for an M-16.

Plus, I nitpick things like that.

I don't remember what the name of the battle was, but it was the Middle Ages, England vs France, as usual. The English were heavily outnumbered by the French knights - however, the French rode in through a fairly confined area over marshy ground. English longbows decimated them. Cool thing I read about longbows - until repeating rifles showed up, a longbow could place shots faster and more accurately than any other weapon. The problem being that a good longbowman took years to train.

I do believe you are correct. Turtledove was the author for sure. I heard AK-47's can be fired even after dropping them in mud. The M-16's jamb so easy because of the gas rings. Used to really suck when you were trying to qualify and you had to eject a jammed round.The target usually dropped by the time you got a fresh round in. Hate to think what it would be like having someone rushing you and you can't get a round in the chamber.

I am an AK afficianodo, and have done the dunk test in 12" of water/muck/mud..... Brought it up and ripped bad guy target in half... But................. Got mudd?

My AK's are bulletproof (pardon the pun) and there are many variants and receiver kits available if you can't buy a Russian make locally. Accuracy is gun to gun.. some are good to 50 yards (egg for a target) and others are good much further.. depends on how well the guy making it was paying attention me thinks

My fav one I own is a ROMAK, romanian AK with single stack magz.. Semi Auto, accurate to 100yards iron sights, and although never scoped, I bet it would be good a lil farther out

 

[Boyd]

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MP40s, BF Me 109s, BF110s, Sten guns, grease guns, Panhard armored cars, Tiger Is, Tiger IIs, M3 stuarts, T-34s, Mosin Naggants, Colt 1911s, Enfields, Springfields, Browning Automatic Rifles (BAR), Luger 08s, and Churchill IIIs

(all that was typed by memory)

The Mosin was around in World War One, as well. I've read about Afghan snipers using the things when nothing else is available, making it possibly one of the longest-serving rifles in history. And they kick hard, I can tell you that from personal experience.

Not as hard as a K98, though. When the Germans designed those, they thought of everything except recoil pads. Which only makes it manlier.

recoil is what my Steven's 30-.06 kicks from the bench

The only thing worse is baby bazooka, my dad's over/under 10 gauge throwing slugs... A .50 is nothing compared to my dads O/U

 

[Steve_of_sandspoultry]

Cough*Warofnorthernaggression*cough*

Who fired the first shot?

Yeah, the AR type weapons (M-16, M-4) tend to have more jamming problems than AKs - that said, they've greatly improved since they were first invented. A friend actually torture-tested his AR-15 and went 6 months without cleaning the thing, but it still worked darn well despite having a lot of rounds put through it. AKs are practically invulnerable when it comes to stuff jamming it, with one exception. They HATE sand. Fortunately, it takes a lot of sand to get one to jam. Saw one guy on Youtube take his AK, shove it into the mud, take it out, and fire off all 30 rounds perfectly. I searched for "AR-15 mud test" but nobody wanted to risk their $1500 rifle.

The miltary weapon BYC "experts" very often forget the M-14. That would be the service rifle between the M-1 Garand and the M-16. Even thought it had a short service life it was a very very good rifle. I for one was sad to give it up for the M-16 and quite a few body bags were filled because of the switch. When a longer range rifle was needed in the "sand" many M-14's were brought back into service.

Steve​

 

[Boyd]

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Who fired the first shot?

Yeah, the AR type weapons (M-16, M-4) tend to have more jamming problems than AKs - that said, they've greatly improved since they were first invented. A friend actually torture-tested his AR-15 and went 6 months without cleaning the thing, but it still worked darn well despite having a lot of rounds put through it. AKs are practically invulnerable when it comes to stuff jamming it, with one exception. They HATE sand. Fortunately, it takes a lot of sand to get one to jam. Saw one guy on Youtube take his AK, shove it into the mud, take it out, and fire off all 30 rounds perfectly. I searched for "AR-15 mud test" but nobody wanted to risk their $1500 rifle.

The miltary weapon BYC "experts" very often forget the M-14. That would be the service rifle between the M-1 Garand and the M-16. Even thought it had a short service life it was a very very good rifle. I for one was sad to give it up for the M-16 and quite a few body bags were filled because of the switch. When a longer range rifle was needed in the "sand" many M-14's were brought back into service.

Steve​

I've never had the pleasure of using one, although I would love to try one out.