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[TM Chickens]

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Who fired the first shot?

If you awoke one night and saw someone seeking into your bedroom with a loaded gun, who would likely fire the first shot? Would you wait until he fired before attempting to defend yourself and your family? That would be utter foolishness.

He who fires the first shot is not always the aggressor.

ETA: Sorry redhen. *shamed thread hijacker face*

 

[redhen]

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Who fired the first shot?

If you awoke one night and saw someone seeking into your bedroom with a loaded gun, who would likely fire the first shot? Would you wait until he fired before attempting to defend yourself and your family? That would be utter foolishness.

He who fires the first shot is not always the aggressor.

ETA: Sorry redhen. *shamed thread hijacker face*

Nah! Dont worry about it! Good discussion...
Continue on, folks!

 

[Steve_of_sandspoultry]

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Who fired the first shot?

If you awoke one night and saw someone seeking into your bedroom with a loaded gun, who would likely fire the first shot? Would you wait until he fired before attempting to defend yourself and your family? That would be utter foolishness.

He who fires the first shot is not always the aggressor.

ETA: Sorry redhen. *shamed thread hijacker face*

So Fort Sumter was getting ready to invade Charleston? I've been there quite a few times, would have been a long swim for the yankees to sneek into anybody's bedroom.

Steve

 

[TM Chickens]

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If you awoke one night and saw someone seeking into your bedroom with a loaded gun, who would likely fire the first shot? Would you wait until he fired before attempting to defend yourself and your family? That would be utter foolishness.

He who fires the first shot is not always the aggressor.

ETA: Sorry redhen. *shamed thread hijacker face*

So Fort Sumter was getting ready to invade Charleston?

Not merely getting ready. No getting ready was required. The fort was already well within the border of the CSA.

If I may make another comparison: In 2011, if Iran (the same Iran that is vowing to destroy America everyday) occupied a fort complete with a missile launch site in the heartland of the USA, do you think the government would allow them to remain there? Even after they had been asked to leave, but instead sent reinforcements and more ammo? Seriously.

Forcing them to leave would simply be a necessary act of self-defence.

 

[Steve_of_sandspoultry]

The fort was already well within the border of the CSA.

Just a little history note but the CSA lost, so that makes it a moot point don't cha think.

If I may make another comparison: In 2011, if Iran (the same Iran that is vowing to destroy America everyday) occupied a fort complete with a missile launch site in the heartland of the USA, do you think the government would allow them to remain there? Even after they had been asked to leave, but instead sent reinforcements and more ammo? Seriously

There is no comparison between that happened on April 12, 1861 and what could happen in 2011, Seriously

Steve​

 

[Dunkopf]

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Who fired the first shot?

If you awoke one night and saw someone seeking into your bedroom with a loaded gun, who would likely fire the first shot? Would you wait until he fired before attempting to defend yourself and your family? That would be utter foolishness.

He who fires the first shot is not always the aggressor.

ETA: Sorry redhen. *shamed thread hijacker face*

The person with the loaded gun sneaking in for sure. Now if you had advance warning and were hiding in wait then you would fire the first shot. I know I sure would. No put your hands up for me. Shoot first, Of course I don't have a gun. Too many kids in my house. If I shot one of them I would have to kill myself. Then the world would suffer a great loss.

 

[TM Chickens]

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Just a little history note but the CSA lost, so that makes it a moot point don't cha think.

I don't really see how that changes anything.

The bully is not always right just because he's big and mean and can beat up anyone who disagrees with him.

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However, the basic meaning remains, correct? Someone who wants to destroy you and has the means to do so has a fortification inside your borders, and won't leave, and re-enforces the garrison when you ask them to leave.

 

[redhen]

Q9.. was there actually a battle at a place called Fort Pillow?? (reading a book now about this battle)

 

[Q9]

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Who fired the first shot?

Yeah, the AR type weapons (M-16, M-4) tend to have more jamming problems than AKs - that said, they've greatly improved since they were first invented. A friend actually torture-tested his AR-15 and went 6 months without cleaning the thing, but it still worked darn well despite having a lot of rounds put through it. AKs are practically invulnerable when it comes to stuff jamming it, with one exception. They HATE sand. Fortunately, it takes a lot of sand to get one to jam. Saw one guy on Youtube take his AK, shove it into the mud, take it out, and fire off all 30 rounds perfectly. I searched for "AR-15 mud test" but nobody wanted to risk their $1500 rifle.

The miltary weapon BYC "experts" very often forget the M-14. That would be the service rifle between the M-1 Garand and the M-16. Even thought it had a short service life it was a very very good rifle. I for one was sad to give it up for the M-16 and quite a few body bags were filled because of the switch. When a longer range rifle was needed in the "sand" many M-14's were brought back into service.

Steve​

Lincoln literally forced the Confederates to fire. He sent supply ships carrying guns, ammo, and troops to reinforce Fort Sumter - if they let him get away with that, the Confederacy would have had no legitimacy as a nation. Lincoln knew the South would have to fire, either on the ships or on Sumter. He explicitly said so to Gustavus Fox, commander of the "relief" squadron sent to Sumter. In addition, the death toll of the Sumter attack was exactly 1 horse. Lincoln responded by launching an invasion that cost 600,000 soldiers and heaven knows how many civilians.

Oh, no, trust me, I wouldn't forget about the M-14. I would LOVE to own the M1A (civilian version of the M-14, for all the non-gun lovers) - it's the definition of power and accuracy.

 

[Q9]

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Yes, there was. Confederate soldiers actually fired on black Union troops attempting to surrender - the Confederate commander, General Nathan Forrest, actually stood in front of his own soldiers' guns to save the prisoners, declaring about black Southern soldiers, "Better Confederates never lived."