Homemade chicken feed

Chris,
What do you call low? Selenium Toxicity happens in grazing animals all over the place. I am going to come back here tonight and put up the sites, for your listening pleasure, of the top expert in the country being interviewed on a couple of Podcasts. Also I will include the site where the National Pork Board put out a brochure warning pork producers about it.
Many people are going to be in denial, especially those who want to believe the Government takes care of this feed thing. The reality is their are no Laws written and so no Government agency can touch it without first writing a law. These big feed outfits have lots of money and use it to get what they want (more money).
I don't want a debate on Politics, we all know already how it works.

So, are you are going by what you have heard spewing forth from the Feed Conglomerate's mouths? They want us to believe the whole country is low in Selenium so they can add the same amount in every batch without testing the feed first. Some areas are lower than others, but knowing where your grain comes from is half the battle. There is no easy fix, for the consumer, to this problem. Oregon and Montana are the only States so far who's feed testing Officials are testing FINISHED FEED for Selenium levels. Just call your state and ask them. I know I have already done that, so I already know the answer. So you should check out what I have said here.

Each type of grain will uptake a different amount of selenium, depending on how much protein is in the grain and how much is available in the soil. Selenium binds to the protein. Just knowing the soil is only part of the equation. The grain must be tested to know.

The map is interactive and gives intimate details County by County. You must CLICK on the State and then Click on the County. It gives very technical details, so you should read slowly. So I don't know why anyone would say it is not the best map there is.

I don't know where Chris is getting information but it is wrong. Chris is not checking out the sites I presented for viewing.

Selenium does not affect plants except for them pulling it out of the soil and storing it in the Protein fraction of the seed (grain). I do not jump on any site and talk about Selenium unless I have ACTUAL Research papers to back it up. These are facts, backed up by Research, not Hearsay.
Many sites say a lot of things that aren't true. Use only reliable University or Government sites. Do not believe just any Yahoo out there.
Don't be lazy people, read, read, read, and question whether the source did the actual research or not. Research is easily misinterpreted if you don't read the whole paper carefully.

I ran across a new source where China Rejected a load of Peas from Canada for having too much Selenium. I will look that up and give it to you also.
This discovery of a Selenium problem is fairly new (3 yrs I have been working on it) because nobody thought to test the grain before 2007. Fact is Stranger than Fiction.
 
I don't know where Chris is getting information but it is wrong. Chris is not checking out the sites I presented for viewing.

I am getting my information from,
State Vets, OSU, and the Department of Aquaculture.
Also there is a BIG difference between Hogs and Poultry nutrition. You all ready got one of you threads locked are you trying for two (2)?

Chris​
 
Selenium does not affect plants except for them pulling it out of the soil and storing it in the Protein fraction of the seed (grain).

You may want to do more search on this..

Chris​
 
I have researched this for many years. Maybe you should call Dr. Don Mahan at Ohio State University and ask him about it. (By the way, Ohio is the lowest Selenium State in the nation). When you mention his name to anyone, National or International, they will defer to him about Selenium.
My post was deemed too Political for the Moderator. Sorry, but you can't talk about needing to change a law without bringing Politics into it. Lobbyists are running rampant.

By the way, if there wasn't a problem, why would the Oregon Department of Agriculture be writing a new law to limit the amount of Selenium "no matter the source".
If there wasn't a problem, why would the Top Vet at Oregon State University publish a paper on what happened to my pigs after we had feed and livers tested and he saw the results. He came out and took his own samples and sent them to Ohio State. (Yes, he was in Denial too until he saw with his own eyes what was happening to the pigs and then saw the test results).
The ailments looked like we had many different diseases and problems, yet my herd was one, of a handful in the country, CERTIFIED SPF (Specific Pathogen Free) by my Vet and the National SPF working together since 1998?
We even tested for lots of diseases just to make sure we didn't pick something up? All Negative. I finally told the Pathologist to test for anything he could think of no matter how crazy it sounded. It was the Pathologist who decided to test for Selenium. Not the Vets.
Here's another problem with Dr's. They don't alert each other when they find something like this. It's all so Crazy, and unbelieveable for most. They trusted the feed companies and tried to tell me that the feed companies have to test for this stuff. I asked the feed companies if they ever test for Selenium levels and the answer was NO.
If there wasn't a problem, why would the National Pork Board alert Pork Producers, after what Dr. Mahan found, after we sent him Blood, Hair, Feed to do the testing for us?
What part of "the lowest levels that cause Chronic Toxicity of Selenium (selenosis) is not known" don't you understand? The Research on Chronic Toxicity has not been done. Nobody is going to put up the money to fund that research. Dr. Mahan was setting up to do that study, and his feed budget was cut, by the "Powers That Be" at the University. I have my own opinion about that and it's not pretty.
A pigs "low normal" liver level is 1.5 and the "High Normal" is 2.5, and the liver comes back, from Michigan State, at over 6.0 Huston, I think we have a problem. I had six more livers tested and all came back at over 3.0
When feed samples taken on our farm, in the same week, by the AAFCO Official, and the tests come back at .8 (LOL/Purina) .9 (LOL/Purina) 1.02 (CHS) (the highest one was a custom mix with no added selenium by CHS)
CHS is also the largest grain broker in the United States, their feed business is only a small part of what they do.
Every Vet I have run into is in denial until I show them the test results.

Ruminants can handle SLIGHTLY more Selenium than Monogastrics, but not much more. The reason is they produce Their own Ribovlavin B vitamin, which helps to counteract Selenium's effects. We were able to bring some pigs around by giving them shots of B-complex because the Vets said the Ribovlavin B vitamin in the mix could counteract some of the effects of selenium poisoning.
The numbers for pigs and humans are the same according to Dr. Mahan.
Selenium leached from farmlands was funneled to Kesterson in drainage water and entered the marsh food chain, triggering deformities and deaths in waterfowl.
So, how did it get in the farmlands of California in the first place?
How much Selenium is too much? At what point do we consider it "Toxic"? Is it when they have one cracked foot and are lame from it? Or is it when they start dying like flies?

I had pigs trying to kill each other when they were at the high end of normal. We fixed the feed and they went back to normal within a week.
We monitored them very closely with tests and I spent thousands of dollars and lost hundreds of pigs.

Let it not be in Vain.
 
Thanks for the info..qbarfarm... . all is well you are with friends here... No one on this thread wants to do anything but improve our own techniques and improve agriculture in general in our nation.. No one is arguing your points...
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Lots to look into... I begin to question myself on adding a mineral supplement with traces of selenium to my feed mix...
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You know what????????...............................................
I think I am beginning to agree....
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I don't take vitamins or supplements my self. I find most disagree with me and or cause more problems than good. If I crave a food, such as bananas that is my body telling me I need potassium and to eat bananas not pop a pill...

I suppose the whole reason for feeding a natural whole grain, diverse diet to chickens is to cover all the bases... Hence suppliments may be over kill...
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I see your point CAS.... It just may take me a while to get it through my thick skull..
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Really the best use for my mineral sup.. (Azomite) is for the soil, then feed the plants that grow to the birds, not directly to the birds! (Right out of the mouths of the Azomite folks..)

Point well taken

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Make your chickens food at home can be dangerous if you make moist food, fungus can grow and kill the birds. If you make food at home make sure you make a dose for only one day.
 
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Mine is quite dry--and whole grains store longer than the crumbles and pellets. When I remove the food at the end of the day, it goes into a little metal lidded pail that I top off with new feed, and then back out to the feeders the next day. Because the rain might have made it moist I don't put it into the food mix bin.

Yes I see, if you make mash- good point. It would mold overnight.

When whole grains get wet, they just sprout. It really is the safest feed.
 
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Mine is quite dry--and whole grains store longer than the crumbles and pellets. When I remove the food at the end of the day, it goes into a little metal lidded pail that I top off with new feed, and then back out to the feeders the next day. Because the rain might have made it moist I don't put it into the food mix bin.

Yes I see, if you make mash- good point. It would mold overnight.

When whole grains get wet, they just sprout. It really is the safest feed.

I only make what they eat...
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Make it fresh morning and night. Two parts damp sprouted whole grains with one part dry ground grains.

No mold no waste...
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Anyway dampened mash has been fed to chickens since chickens were domesticated. I truely believe that chemical free birds are stronger and healthier .... I will take my natural organic grains of my choice, over some bagged factory farm stuff any day of the week..
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Yes of course one needs to be mindful of what is in the feeder and clean it out on a regular basis..

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