Horse people... Going to look at this guy today

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I don't know much about horses but what I've learned with working with some of a friend of mine who fosters...That horse is not worth getting for DD if she's wanting to jump him. No way. Just walking his stride/gait look iffy - like I've seen horses with mild arthritis walk, and again why isn't he shown jumping? Even something small! I would DEFINATELY pass on this guy as a prospect jumper - you'd be gambling way to much and I know as a parent your not wanting to gamble your daughter's confidence and/or health if that horse jumps with her on it, and he goes down because of that 'bad knee'.

Around in my area there are ALOT of horses up for sale - dressage, jumping, etc and people are selling because they don't have the money to put into the horse(s) right now with the economy. If your in a larger area you should have even better luck.

Just look around and take your time.
 
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i agree. even at the walk SOMETHING is not right with this horse in the physical sense. then add in lack of training and possible tude issues that can crop up with young racehorses.... nope not for my kid.
 
Well we went to look. Yea it was a bad video no doubt about it. I taped DD riding the guy. So I can post that eventually.

SOME of you guys may remember mt being torn over the 15.1 1/2 arab 1/2 rocky mountain guy.I passed on him.

I called the lady today after watching his video. She told me he had the bone chip, which sure gave me pause but I have a LONG freindship with a horse person who I call "my never wrong friend" Because in 20 years she has NEVER steered me wrong.I trust her IMPLICETLY. And she ain't DD's trainer she is in another state.

So I email her all excited the video, cuz around here he would pin.

She says she too likes him go look.So when I tell HER about bone chip and my no doubt, she says NO BIG DEAL, lots of OTTT have them and don't cause an issue ever.She says IF you get him get your own xrays (duh). I was concerned it would set him up for arthritis, she says no. In her younger days she was an exercise girl at the track.

Regarding the bloodlines, she now breeds paint horses and says she has only ever seen Nazrulah in racing paints and yea they can SOMETIMES be hard to handle depending on how close they are to that line.

So Actually if he ISN:T nazrulah I would be happier.

Yea lady rides with a punishing seat and hand, I thought, but hey my kid is not george morris either.

I thought it looked like lady was kinda afraid of him.

SO we go under threat of storm.

We get there he is already tacked and she is lunging him but he is NOT sweaty or hot.

Bit of a disapointment to not be able to groom and tack ourselves, but whatever.

He IS a sweetie, very mellow, and NOT spooky with all the threat of the coming storm.

DD gets up and no problem trots off pretty as you please.

So she trots in both directions maybe 5-7 minutes.Trots him over some cross rails which he treats like trotting poles. It starts to rain, she canters him. He cnters smooth in both directions on the correct leads. He can get too fast but DD has no problem bringing him back. Then DELUGE, he continues on no problem, w are soaked in seconds so go in barn.

We go back on monday to try again.

AGAIN DD LOVES him. He is smooth, and sensitive. I ask if the 1/2 arab were an option now??? she says this guy hands down, she loves him.......

Lady says she has taken him on hunter paces and foxhunted with him. He is quiet, green at the canter.He is 6.

Lady said she had him priced at 2200.00 and dropped him down to 1200.00 I was thinking 600-800. Haven't even discussed that yet cuz I am not buying anything before I get trainers okay and my own xrays.

So there ya go.I am right back to she loves him.

I thought it was hard when you HATE everything you sit.Appaently is just as bad when you LOVE everything you sit on!
 
When you go back i would ask if she would not tack up or lunge him before you get there. That always makes me weary when that is done before hand. His head seems to me to move up and down alot, almost what I think of when something is bothering them....I am not familiar with the breeds way of going but a red flag pops up in my mind.
 
Watching that sales video was like watching the Blair witch Project.
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His range of motion is rather stiff, long in the pasterns and stiff in the stifle and hocks, he is not going to be a very fluid or flexible mover. when going over jumps, does he bring his legs up close to his body or leave it danging or too relaxed in his bending of his legs underneath him? He will NOT do well and will be sloppy in his jumping and knocking off the poles at his laziness.

He looks uncomfortable with the lady on horseback, something is bothering him. He is not relaxed.

As for his knees, I've seen alot of them come down with arthritis later in life. If you are serious about buying him, get an xray...I can not stress that importance enough.

Bloodlines are ok, Nastrullah was a hot headed horse in his days. However its so far back in the pedigree IF he has Nasrullah. Bold Ruler was a very competitive horse with alot of heart but ill tempered.

If it was me, I will pass him up, not on the whims of daughter's "love on the spot". Take an experience horse friend with you including your DD's riding instructor.
 
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Also show up a half hour early. If she's dosing him with bute or tranqs, it'll be easier to tell. Showing up unexpectedly to ride may or may not be a good idea. If this woman is a friend, she shouldn't mind too much.
 
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An awful high percentage -- I forget the current number but it is not too far from 40-50% -- have Nasrullah and sons in their pedigrees. He (and his son Bold Ruler and a few other sons) were just extremely influential. It was probably sorta true 30+ yrs ago that a somewhat disproportionate number of Nasrullah-bred horses (esp. with *lotsa* doses of his blood) were more-difficult, but at this point in time I would honestly not worry about it. If you like the horse or not is not going to depend much on sires that are like 8-10 generations ago
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Secondly he is a ottt and she says he has a bone chip in his knee.She has had it xrayed 2x and says it shold not interfere with jumping up to 3ft. REALLY???? seems like he would get arthritis in the knee eventually.

Totally depends, and not necessarily real predictable. Also it depends whether it is a small totally-nonarticular bone chip, versus an articular chip (actually in the 'working surfaces' of the joints), versus a fracture e.g. slab fracture that she is "politely" calling a bone chip for the purposes of selling the horse.

So I WAS excited, but now I am leary. What do you think?

Go look at the horse. If you do not like him then the bone chip does not matter
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If you like him enough to want to buy him, you would be having him vetted anyhow (right, right? given that this is to be a 3'-division show horse and a long-term ownership prospect?) and provided you put down a deposit with a well-written contract, you can probably have the xrays sent to the vet BEFORE the vet actually goes out to see him, so that if he looks at the xrays and says 'this knee is not a smart choice for your purposes' you will not have had to pay for the whole-nine-yards vetting.

Good luck, have fun,

Pat​
 
I had a bold ruler grandson... He hung the moon in the sky... He was a schoolmaster till he was 30.... I would give anything to have him again... I also had a 1/2 brother by bold ruler... Same view... Loved them... The teeth tend to deteriorate with age more than some and you have to be careful about their feet etc.. But I wouldn't trade either two of them for any 1000 horses... We called my schoolmaster Orpheus and I have 50 ppl you can call about that breeding... He was nothing short of spectacular... Won many blue ribbon in Dressage and was used as a 3 day eventer. His original owner is an Olympic hopeful for 2012.... It was her horse originally.. I got him from her... She bought him as a baby. He was a deep thinker and was trustworthy.... always.
 
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Yes there is, once in the visible part of the pedigree (5th generation on the top half) and I believe in several other places as well -- at least 5 of the 5th generation horses are either Nasrullah or Bold Ruler sons IIRC (and indeed Nasrullah himself, sire of Bold Ruler, appears in the 5th generation on the dam half of the chart!). Actually I think it is probably more than 5, I just haven't had to remember TB breeding stuff for a loong time now
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Remember that by now a lot of the older generations have "fallen off the back" of 5-generation pedigrees; those ancestors are still *there*.

That is actually rather a *lot* of Nasrullah blood in that pedigree, though, much moreso than many horses.

That said, unless you would have to go a loooooong way to see a horse, I do not believe it is smart to leap to judgements about personality based on further-back pedigree info. I have known some heavily Nasrullah/Bold Ruler bred horses that were calm as a clam. It's an individual thing.

I haven't seen the video (dialup) but it sounds to me from what people are saying like he is Your Basic Cheap Local Hunter-Show Type Horse. A number of them stay workably sound for quite a while, if taken good care of, even if they are not um 100% sound and ready to resume racing. So if you are *looking* for a basic cheap local hunter-show type horse, I am not sure that moving stiffly should be an automatic disqualification. Obviously have him vetted.

The first (well, next) step though is to see what your trainer thinks.

Good luck, have fun,

Pat
 
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