Horse Talk

Pics
I have to admit, when you said something about having another horse for your girl to play with, I was wondering just what kind of "play" you were expecting. I have only mares here, but I still see some of this kind of behavior, even the mounting.
idunno.gif


First of all, having a stallion/gelding mounting her will not cause a mare to go into heat - that is something that her body will do, regardless of the presence/absence of a male. Having a male around simply encourages the females to show obvious signs of what their hormones are doing, it doesn't change the hormonal cycle itself - the myth of "bringing a mare into heat" is just that - a myth. Just how a mare behaves during this time varies - some are really obnoxious, and some show little in the way of behavioral changes. Honestly, at the barn where I worked, we had more trouble with the geldings when the girls were cycling than with the girls themselves - the flirty hussies kept the guys so riled up, they were constantly beating each other up. Someone once told me that the only real difference between a stallion and a gelding is that a stallion can settle mares, and in some cases, I swear it's true. While there are a few geldings that seem to be "dead from the waist down" as they say, most still know that they are male, and some can (and will!) go through all of the motions, given the opportunity.

I don't know where this idea that "mares run the herd" comes from, but what I have seen doesn't bear it out. Dominant horses run the herd, and they are just as likely to be male as not. I watched in astonishment as a gelding that had formerly been the bottom horse in every group he had been put in for years suddenly decided that he was a stud when some Appaloosa mares got put into the pasture next to him, and he beat the stuffin' out of all three of his current pasture mates (including my mare, Latte, who had been the top horse at that point). A few months later, even he got bumped back down the ladder when a very dominant Arabian gelding got put back in the pasture and reclaimed his former spot at the top.

Older horses that are in good health usually dominate immature animals, so I'm betting that this gelding outranks your filly. Obviously, you don't want her getting hurt, so I think your choice to separate them is the best thing to do at this time.

Personally, I can't think of a worse reason for breeding a growing youngster than to prevent her from going into estrus, so I think that "option" shouldn't be an option at all, but should be put right off the table.
I'd like to know more about spaying a mare too. How expensive is it? Is it very risky?
This is something you will need to talk to your vet about. The cost and risk of the procedure seems to depend on how it is done, and there are apparently a number of ways of doing it.
 
Ah okay, I was always told that a male can bring a mare into heat whenever and throw her off her schedule, I didn't know it was a myth. Do you think eventually she'll settle down or will she act like this every single time she's in heat (neighing and running around, etc.) I'm not 100% sure but I think this is her first time being in heat around a gelding. She's not too bad when I work with her as long as she can't see him, so that's a plus I guess. And the only reason breeding her is an option is becuase I had considered it before, but I'd want to wait till she was 4 anyways and then that would only solve the problem for a year. I might look more into spaying, I didn't even know until very recently that you could spay mares. And then if I decided to do that then I'd have to decide if I wanted a foal from her first. So many things to think about. But I'll give them more time to settle before I worry about anything too drastic. And I named my gelding Pheonix.
And did this with June today
400
 
I got a new horse one week ago, I went through several horses trying to find the right one, and she's the one! (picking based on personality, not color or training). She is a 2 and a half year old registered palomino quarter horse, that I named June. When I picked her up Monday she had never been halter broke or worked, just givin treats all the time, so she's a little stubborn but she seems very smart. I've worked with her about 5 days this past week (I would every day but she's at my grandparents and it's a bit of a drive from my house) and so far I have her leading wonderfully, stopping great, making improvements on backing, flexing, yielding fore and hindquarters (hindquarters still needs some work) and picking up her feet (well, 3 of them anyways). Also getting her use to standing tied and doing some desensitizing with a plastic bag. I trained a horse when when I was younger in 4-h but my grandpa did most of the work since I was so young and he knew more than me. This is my first time training by myself and I know I still have lots to learn but I think me and the horse are both doing good so far. I've also got some riding lessons set up for sometime in the next couple of weeks since it's been quite a while since I rode and I need to build confidence. I want to make sure im ready once June is ready to be ridden. I will most likely hire a trainer to start her under saddle, and hopefully they will work with me and teach me while they're teaching her. I've done a lot of reading up and training and have been watching Missy Wryn videos, what does everyone think of her?
I'm thinking June will be ready to start lunging in the next week or two, I did try once but it was evident that she wasn't ready yet.
I've also been thinking, I may want to breed her sometime (after she's broke), maybe next spring or the next. I've had mares before but never any that I've wanted to breed, but she has good conformation, good color, registered (and several people have told me her bloodlines are good ones, I don't personally know a ton about bloodlines yet), great personality and she's a pretty quick learner. If I did breed her, i would most likely keep the foal for myself, or at least the first one if I decided to breed her more than once. I've been doing some thinking on this and I would either go with another qh with good bloodlines, conformation, personality, and if I'm lucky, color. Or I would go with a friesian stud that I like that is close by. I know the friesian would add height (she should mature to 14.3) and the thick build I like, as well as good personality. But I was also wondering, what colors would be possible from a friesian and a palomino? Not that that's the most important thing but it's fun to think about.
Anyways, I wanted to post this thread to get as much advice on training as I can (because like I said I have LOTS to learn) and talk some about breeding as well.



Ignore how messy everything is, ill be picking up rocks when it gets warmer. And I have more pictures, they wont upload right now but ill try later!
Your mare does have nice conformation. I recommend breeding her to another registered QH instead of a friesian. There are some very tall QH stallions.
Lungeing just takes time to learn. I recommend using a round pen without a halter or lead on her to start. Also lungeing is much, much, much, harder if you don't keep your body in the horse's 'go' zone.
 
I have to admit, when you said something about having another horse for your girl to play with, I was wondering just what kind of "play" you were expecting. I have only mares here, but I still see some of this kind of behavior, even the mounting.
idunno.gif


First of all, having a stallion/gelding mounting her will not cause a mare to go into heat - that is something that her body will do, regardless of the presence/absence of a male. Having a male around simply encourages the females to show obvious signs of what their hormones are doing, it doesn't change the hormonal cycle itself - the myth of "bringing a mare into heat" is just that - a myth. Just how a mare behaves during this time varies - some are really obnoxious, and some show little in the way of behavioral changes. Honestly, at the barn where I worked, we had more trouble with the geldings when the girls were cycling than with the girls themselves - the flirty hussies kept the guys so riled up, they were constantly beating each other up. Someone once told me that the only real difference between a stallion and a gelding is that a stallion can settle mares, and in some cases, I swear it's true. While there are a few geldings that seem to be "dead from the waist down" as they say, most still know that they are male, and some can (and will!) go through all of the motions, given the opportunity.

I don't know where this idea that "mares run the herd" comes from, but what I have seen doesn't bear it out. Dominant horses run the herd, and they are just as likely to be male as not. I watched in astonishment as a gelding that had formerly been the bottom horse in every group he had been put in for years suddenly decided that he was a stud when some Appaloosa mares got put into the pasture next to him, and he beat the stuffin' out of all three of his current pasture mates (including my mare, Latte, who had been the top horse at that point). A few months later, even he got bumped back down the ladder when a very dominant Arabian gelding got put back in the pasture and reclaimed his former spot at the top.

Older horses that are in good health usually dominate immature animals, so I'm betting that this gelding outranks your filly. Obviously, you don't want her getting hurt, so I think your choice to separate them is the best thing to do at this time.

Personally, I can't think of a worse reason for breeding a growing youngster than to prevent her from going into estrus, so I think that "option" shouldn't be an option at all, but should be put right off the table.
Quote: I agree. Any horse can be the 'lead horse'.
 
Originally the lunging was tried in the round pen with no halter and that's what we were having trouble with. I can lunge her now on the lead rope but only at a walk. We're slowly working our way up though so hopefully I can get her round penning some time. And yeah, I can't decide on the purebred qh or friesian. On the friesian it's not just the height I like its the conformation, gait, and temperament, and I know that there are half friesian registeries. But on the other hand I know I could find a really nice qh stud and get an awesome purebred foal.
Probably the reason I'm struggling with that is becuase I truthfully don't really like quarter horses that much
 
Originally the lunging was tried in the round pen with no halter and that's what we were having trouble with. I can lunge her now on the lead rope but only at a walk. We're slowly working our way up though so hopefully I can get her round penning some time. And yeah, I can't decide on the purebred qh or friesian. On the friesian it's not just the height I like its the conformation, gait, and temperament, and I know that there are half friesian registeries. But on the other hand I know I could find a really nice qh stud and get an awesome purebred foal.
Probably the reason I'm struggling with that is becuase I truthfully don't really like quarter horses that much
That's great! It's also always good to have a trainer help you with things like that.
Do you ride english or western?
 
Well I was having trouble finding a trainer, but I think they lady I adopted Phoenix from might be willing to help me with some training stuff, I'll know soon becuase I'm going to take some riding lessons from her. I ride western but I'd like to try out English. I need a refresher on western first though
 
Unless you have a lot of experience you probably should have a trainer help you with your horse. A greenhorn training a greenhorn sometimes doesn't work but if you work hard enough and study up enough, anything can happen.
 
I've halter broke before, so with that so far so good, I am having trouble with the lunging but we're starting to get the hang of it. I'm sure the lady I'm taking lessons from will help me with training her under saddle too. I've got an oky start, I can flex her and back her up, and sit on her in the saddle, but I'm not sure yet how to teach her to respond to leg pressure. I spend pretty much 90% of my time reading/talking to people/watching videos, and I am learning a lot, but I'm hoping that she will help me with some of the bigger stuff that I don't know how to do
 
Oh, and this is why (look wise) I can't decide between qh and friesian if I do decide to breed her (not any sooner than next spring btw). Of course, if she has a foal I'm keeping it no matter what and I won't ever be selling it, and although a well built registered flashy qh foal wouldn't be bad, I really love the temperament and especially the build of a friesian cross, in my opinion, a qh/friesian cross has the best build you can possibly get, there's just a certain look that I really love and they meet it 100%
The only thing I could think of that would make the big buckskin in these pictures any better is if it had bigger hooves. I do love big hooves.
400

400

400

400

400


And a half friesian foal could still be registered with a friesian registry, not that that matters much to me since I'd just have it as my personal horse and I don't show or anything. And I don't think (when bred to a palomino) that there are many color options, just black, buckskin, palomino, and bay I believe. But I couldn't find any pictures of palomino or bay.
 

New posts New threads Active threads

Back
Top Bottom