Houdans

[Tricoglossus]

She has five toes.

 

[aoxa]

She has five toes.

http://www.crestedbreeds.com/crested_breeds_houdan.html
Here is the standard in Australia for Houdans. Seems very similar to our own.

Not trying to to make you feel bad about her - because she has VERY nice mottling. My own is not as nice.. However, her body is very small and thin like a polish. They should be much heavier bodied.

 

[Tricoglossus]

I just posted the link to that for you as well. She may not be the best example of the breed, but I think she is lovely! Did you see that the breed standard says the legs should be white mottled with leaden blue or black?

 

[aoxa]

I just posted the link to that for you as well. She may not be the best example of the breed, but I think she is lovely! Did you see that the breed standard says the legs should be white mottled with leaden blue or black? 

Leaden means dull. Yes I did read that.

She is beautiful either way

 

[Kassaundra]

Well yet again I have been de-houdaned.

I just had to one houdan to hatch I don't know what happened, she had a perfect hatch, and for parts of two days after was running all over the bator, then the night before I was going to move them to the brooder started seeing balance problems just slight at first, then by that next morning they were dramatic balance problems, but still able to stand and move, but would fall and not be able to get back up, then progressing to not able to stand at all. She ate actively and drank, perfect formed poop, had bright eyes, highly interactive???????

These were my first chicks of any kind to hatch myself, and she was the only one to have these s/sx does anyone have any experience w/ this???

 

[aoxa]

Well yet again I have been de-houdaned.    I just had to one houdan to hatch  I don't know what happened, she had a perfect hatch, and for parts of two days after was running all over the bator, then the night before I was going to move them to the brooder started seeing balance problems just slight at first, then by that next morning they were dramatic balance problems, but still able to stand and move, but would fall and not be able to get back up, then progressing to not able to stand at all. She ate actively and drank, perfect formed poop, had bright eyes, highly interactive???????

These were my first chicks of any kind to hatch myself, and she was the only one to have these s/sx does anyone have any experience w/ this???

That sounds like mareks to me

I am so sorry Kass.. That is just awful.

 

[Kassaundra]

That sounds like mareks to me

I am so sorry Kass.. That is just awful.

Mareks takes A LOT longer incubation period, is not passed through the shell, and the chick had no exposure in the incubator. Mareks affects sub adult chicks that are a couple of month old mostly.

Transmission by egg has no significance (i.e., chicken hatched and reared in isolation will be free of MDV.
Clinical signs: MD commonly affects pullets between 12-24 weeks of age, but can infect broilers as early as 6 weeks of age. The incubation period ranges from 3-4 weeks to several months. Signs may vary according to the nerve or nerves affected. Asymmetric progressive paralysis of one or more of the extremities can be seen. Wing involvement is characterized by drooping of the limb. Torticollis of nerves controlling the neck are affected. Vagal involvement will lead to dilatation of the crop and/or gasping. If the iris is involved, eyes will lose their ability to accommodate light intensity and blindness may occur (once called "grey eye"). Many birds die suddenly without symptoms. There are nonspecific signs such as weight loss, paleness, anorexia, and diarrhea.

This was copied from the Purdue University web site

 

[aoxa]

Mareks takes A LOT longer incubation period, is not passed through the shell, and the chick had no exposure in the incubator.  Mareks affects sub adult chicks that are a couple of month old mostly.

 Transmission by egg has no significance (i.e., chicken hatched and reared in isolation will be free of MDV.
Clinical signs: MD commonly affects pullets between 12-24 weeks of age, but can infect broilers as early as 6 weeks of age. The incubation period ranges from 3-4 weeks to several months. Signs may vary according to the nerve or nerves affected. Asymmetric progressive paralysis of one or more of the extremities can be seen. Wing involvement is characterized by drooping of the limb. Torticollis of nerves controlling the neck are affected. Vagal involvement will lead to dilatation of the crop and/or gasping. If the iris is involved, eyes will lose their ability to accommodate light intensity and blindness may occur (once called "grey eye"). Many birds die suddenly without symptoms. There are nonspecific signs such as weight loss, paleness, anorexia, and diarrhea.

This was copied from the Purdue University web site

Then what about Cocci?

You're right about the age - I completely forgot about that part.

 

[Kassaundra]

Then what about Cocci?
You're right about the age - I completely forgot about that part.

Coccidiosis is a poultry disease caused by a microscopic animal or protozoa characterized by diarrhea, listlessness and variable levels of mortality in the affected birds. In spite of research to advance the control and treatments of this disease, it is the single most costly disease of the poultry industry.
There are many species of Coccidia that can infect fowl, domestic animals and humans.
Each species is host specific and does not usually cross contaminate. After an outbreak of specific coccidiosis, the flock will develop a resistance to the exposed species of coccidia but remain none resistant to others. This means a flock may experience several outbreaks of varient species.
Chickens are susceptable to nine coccidia species, turkeys to seven and game birds to four.
Coccidiosis is transmitted by direct and indirect contact with the droppings of infected birds. The organisms invade the lining of the intestinal tract and damage tissue. Within one week of infection the Coccidia shed immature descendants through the bird droppings and mature in the birds litter. If the litter is warm and damp it takes three days to develop and when eaten by other birds while they feed, go on to infect the flock.
Coccidiosis is seldom seen in birds under three weeks old nor in birds older than three years.
The signs of an outbreak include birds that are pale, droopy, tend to huddle as if cold, consume less food and water than usual. They have diarrhea and often become emaciated and dehydrated. Laying hens with Coccidiosis will drop egg production






No diarrhea well formed perfect poop even w/ the little white cap, first started getting sick while still in the bator, no exposure.

 

[aoxa]

Coccidiosis is a poultry disease caused by a microscopic animal or protozoa characterized by diarrhea, listlessness and variable levels of mortality in the affected birds. In spite of research to advance the control and treatments of this disease, it is the single most costly disease of the poultry industry. There are many species of Coccidia that can infect fowl, domestic animals and humans. Each species is host specific and does not usually cross contaminate. After an outbreak of specific coccidiosis, the flock will develop a resistance to the exposed species of coccidia but remain none resistant to others. This means a flock may experience several outbreaks of varient species. Chickens are susceptable to nine coccidia species, turkeys to seven and game birds to four. Coccidiosis is transmitted by direct and indirect contact with the droppings of infected birds. The organisms invade the lining of the intestinal tract and damage tissue. Within one week of infection the Coccidia shed immature descendants through the bird droppings and mature in the birds litter. If the litter is warm and damp it takes three days to develop and when eaten by other birds while they feed, go on to infect the flock. Coccidiosis is seldom seen in birds under three weeks old nor in birds older than three years. The signs of an outbreak include birds that are pale, droopy, tend to huddle as if cold, consume less food and water than usual. They have diarrhea and often become emaciated and dehydrated. Laying hens with Coccidiosis will drop [SIZE=inherit]egg[/SIZE] production No diarrhea well formed perfect poop even w/ the little white cap, first started getting sick while still in the bator, no exposure.

What kind of neurological condition could it be? Now the water you used for your incubator, could it be contaminated? I am thinking out loud here. I have no clue as to what it could be. I have never experienced anything like that before. It's best to rule out what we just ruled out to narrow it down. Not Cocci or Mareks. No respiratory signs. What possible contagions could be in the incubator.. What types of diseases are transmitted through the eggs.. ETA: link http://www.apa-abayouthpoultryclub.org/Edu_Material/VITAMINS.pdf This may be helpful.