Houdans

[fowlman01]

Is there something in them that makes them more prone to get these little defects? The one that old me to do it, does it for her white crested black polish and has not been DQ in the five years she's been showing. Wouldn't it be frowned upon for a judge to specifically tell someone new to showing (me) to tweeze the feet when it is considered cheating/faking? Now I don't know where I stand. I don't want to cheat, but I don't want to not use Skittles either. I think her positives far outweigh the negatives. Maybe that's just me..

It is not right for a judge to tell you to cheat, even though lots of people do pluck stubs. Lots of people cheat on their taxes too, but it does not make it right. Sometimes those little feathers are something the bird gets when it is young and if you pull them once they never come back. if you pull them once and they don't come back you could probably say it is grooming rather than faking. People can do a lot of things to the bird to make it look better that is not considered cheating. (trimming beaks, spurs, nails pulling damaged feathers so that they grow back correctly) I don't see where pulling them one time would be any different than pulling a damaged primary wing feather to hasten it's grow in time.

The ideal is to breed this out of your birds. It just takes some culling and is one of the easier things to accomplish. Pull it once and if it doesn't come back show your bird.

The only reason I would even suggest this one time only pulling of the feather is that your bird is a great looking bird and people should see it in shows. You can blame the Polish for these leg/toe feathers.

Walt

 

[aoxa]

It is not right for a judge to tell you to cheat, even though lots of people do pluck stubs. Lots of people cheat on their taxes too, but it does not make it right. Sometimes those little feathers are something the bird gets when it is young and if you pull them once they never come back. if you pull them once and they don't come back you could probably say it is grooming rather than faking. People can do a lot of things to the bird to make it look better that is not considered cheating. (trimming beaks, spurs, nails pulling damaged feathers so that they grow back correctly) I don't see where pulling them one time would be any different than pulling a damaged primary wing feather to hasten it's grow in time.

The ideal is to breed this out of your birds. It just takes some culling and is one of the easier things to accomplish. Pull it once and if it doesn't come back show your bird.

The only reason I would even suggest this one time only pulling of the feather is that your bird is a great looking bird and people should see it in shows. You can blame the Polish for these leg/toe feathers.

Walt

Thank you Walt. I just pulled them tonight, as we don't have any shows for another year. Time will tell. There were two linty feathers between the toes on each side. Where the webs are. It came out really easily, and you can't see any signs of it now. Time will tell. I think it must be a good thing if I breed her to a cock that doesn't have any signs of the same issue.

I think it's really ironic that you brought up the taxes reference since I am an accountant, it rings true to me I can't stand when people try to pull the wool over my eyes

Darn you polish

 

[ashandvine]

Not to get too far into this debate, but chickens were called self blue before the Lav gene was discovered.

The lavender gene was first discovered in the Porcelain variety of Belgian Bearded d'Uccle bantams in 1972, and verified in 1980 (Crawford 1990, p. 139-140). Porcelain colored d'Uccle bantams were around as early as early as 1909 (La Basse-Coeur du Nord 2008), though the Porcelain variety was not recognized by the APA until 1964 (belgianduccle.org). Whether from the Porcelain d'Uccle or other, unknown sources, the lavender color has been introduced to a number of new chicken breeds over the years, including the Polish and the Silkie.

I knew about the origins and history part but what I don't understand is where the lavender name got started. It isn't a dialogue I wish to reinvent either as I have managed to find it in other threads. Self Blue, Porcelain and Lavender. I believe they are all the same expression of the same color on different breeds. I am guessing, but there is only so much diversity in the genes when you are talking about chickens. I know there is a LOT but still a limit.

For what it is worth Aoxa, Fowlman is a 'big time' judge of birds and if you didn't know he has quite a history of knowing his manure. For him to say you have nice birds is huge praise.

 

[aoxa]

I knew about the origins and history part but what I don't understand is where the lavender name got started.  It isn't a dialogue I wish to reinvent either as I have managed to find it in other threads.  Self Blue, Porcelain and Lavender.  I believe they are all the same expression of the same color on different breeds.  I am guessing, but there is only so much diversity in the genes when you are talking about chickens.  I know there is a LOT but still a limit.

For what it is worth Aoxa, Fowlman is a 'big time' judge of birds and if you didn't know he has quite a history of knowing his manure.  For him to say you have nice birds is huge praise.

Porcelain looks like a washed out buff to me in silkies at least. I can't recall seeing it in other breeds. I don't think it looks like self blue at all.

Since blue comes in so many shades, how do you differentiate the difference between self blue and blue? :/

Why do I continue to take this thread so off topic?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: Not you, "them." You said you got chewed out on another thread for using the term lavender.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: No, a sizzle is not frizzled silkie. The difference is that the first (sizzle) does not have silkie feathering, and the later (frizzled silkie) does. In some countries the name of the lavender colour translates to "pearl grey."

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: The standard for blue is very different than the standard for self blue. "Self" denotes a solid coloured bird; no variations in shade, no patterns either on individual feathers or from one part of the body to another. You can blame the person who segregated (discovered) the lavender gene for its name.

Blue, sometimes called Andalusian blue, has both these primary and secondary patterns. Portions of the bird are a much darker blue, or even black; the lighter feathers are laced around the edge with this dark blue.

Porcelain is a combination of genes that create a specific pattern. It is mille fleur diluted by lavender. The lavender gene dilutes both red and black pigment; most other dilution genes dilute only one of the pigments, not both. Porcelain silkies do not have the full set of genes for the mille fleur pattern. Porcelains are not just diluted buff; they must have lavender on each feather, too.

Porcelain from feathersite and http://www.edelras.nl/belgians:


self-blues (lavender) from feathersite and http://www.edelras.nl/belgians:




blues from feathersite:

 

[fowlman01]

I knew about the origins and history part but what I don't understand is where the lavender name got started. It isn't a dialogue I wish to reinvent either as I have managed to find it in other threads. Self Blue, Porcelain and Lavender. I believe they are all the same expression of the same color on different breeds. I am guessing, but there is only so much diversity in the genes when you are talking about chickens. I know there is a LOT but still a limit.

For what it is worth Aoxa, Fowlman is a 'big time' judge of birds and if you didn't know he has quite a history of knowing his manure. For him to say you have nice birds is huge praise.

Thank you for the compliment, but that is really a nice female and it is easy to see. I could always find something wrong, but overall it is a solid bird.

Add Lilac to those colors. there are folks breeding lilac domestic waterfowl....at least that is what they call them. You surprise me...most folks love lavender....sounds much cooler than self blue.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

Thank you Walt. I just pulled them tonight, as we don't have any shows for another year. Time will tell. There were two linty feathers between the toes on each side. Where the webs are. It came out really easily, and you can't see any signs of it now. Time will tell. I think it must be a good thing if I breed her to a cock that doesn't have any signs of the same issue.
I think it's really ironic that you brought up the taxes reference since I am an accountant, it rings true to me

I can't stand when people try to pull the wool over my eyes

Darn you polish

If they are the whispy hair like structure, they won't come back. If you clean the feet vigorously with a cotton rag, they will go away by themselves. I see birds with real feathers on the shanks and between the toes. Ducks and geese get them too and a lot of judges don't know that.....lol

w.

 

[aoxa]

If they are the whispy hair like structure, they won't come back. If you clean the feet vigorously with a cotton rag, they will go away by themselves. I see birds with real feathers on the shanks and between the toes. Ducks and geese get them too and a lot of judges don't know that.....lol

w.

That was what it was, whispy hair like things. Not like a feather you see on a cochin or silkie foot. They were so small I didn't even notice it when I was clipping her nails and wiping down her feet. That is great news