How About a Jumbo Co Op

[ssbs]

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I'm not going to say there has never been a 1+ pound coturnix, or that there will never be another one. But consider something, think about how long they have been domesticated and how long the breed has been worked on. Maybe for egg production or growth, and in these 50++++++++ years of people trying to improve them they haven't gotten to an average of one pound each. And I seriously doubt they ever will.

But so be it. See how many people are raising them? How many people are complaining? I've not seen any.

Did mine turn out a bit small? Yes, but my hens are laying pros. My current batch of babies are on higher protein then my last two batches, and they are growing well. Even if they don't get any bigger than my current birds what do I care?? The hens will lay the same, roos will probably go to the freezer... But guess what? People eat 24 gram sparrows and 200 gram doves, both of those make a 350-400 gram coturnix look mighty fine in my opinion.

 

[Robo]

Well worded. I completely agree.

 

[JJMR794]

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I'm not going to say there has never been a 1+ pound coturnix, or that there will never be another one. But consider something, think about how long they have been domesticated and how long the breed has been worked on. Maybe for egg production or growth, and in these 50++++++++ years of people trying to improve them they haven't gotten to an average of one pound each. And I seriously doubt they ever will.

But so be it. See how many people are raising them? How many people are complaining? I've not seen any.

Did mine turn out a bit small? Yes, but my hens are laying pros. My current batch of babies are on higher protein then my last two batches, and they are growing well. Even if they don't get any bigger than my current birds what do I care?? The hens will lay the same, roos will probably go to the freezer... But guess what? People eat 24 gram sparrows and 200 gram doves, both of those make a 350-400 gram coturnix look mighty fine in my opinion.

BRAVO! VERY WELL SAID. SURE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AN OCCAISIONAL MUTATNT POPS UP, LIKE A METABOLIC DYSFUNCTION... BUT THEY HAVE BEEN MANIPULATED IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE, FOR AS LONG OR LONGER THAN THE ANTIQUE STUDIES SITED IN THIS STRING, 16OZ COTURNIX ARE THE RARE EXCEPTION= NOT THE NORM. IT STANDS TO REASON THAT NATURE HAS DESIGNED THESE BIRDS AS THEY ARE FOR A REASON, AND ITS MOST LIKELY THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO TO THEM IN AN ORGANIC ENGINEERING PROGRAM THAT THE QUAIL ARE WHAT THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AND WILL ALWAYS BE. SHORT OF UNNATURAL GENETIC MANIPULATION (WHICH THE JAPONESE HAVE DONE IN GREAT DETAIL FOR MANY MANY YEARS= ALL WITH DEPLORABLE RESULTS) THE BREED WILL ALWAYS HAVE A SIZE LIMIT AS DESIGNED BY NATURE/ EVOLUTION/ BUDDHA/ GOD'S WILL, WHAT HAVE YOU???

 

[joe125]

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I don't mean to be rude, but maybe you should reread #1-#4.
I would even go so far as to to say.....Stop with the antiquated theory. Get you some birds, from any source, and start building a practical knowledge of the species.
After a few weeks, or years, then you can judge Me or anyone else here. If you haven't incubated, hatched, brooded, grown out, and sent a bird to freezer camp, then, please check out the chicken board!

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Uhm, Joe? Does this mean that I'm not welcome on the quail boards? After all, I have my birds 1) for eggs and 2) for pets. I'm not interested in sending my birds to freezer camp.

Some of us aren't interested in our birds as a business. Nor are we overly interested in the cost of their production. It's sort of like someone who keeps a single dairy goat or two around because they want fresh milk. They might not be a farmer and might not care about the cost of the fresh milk - they just want the freshest milk possible, without caring what it costs. If they can afford to do this, so be it! Good for them. Why not go for it. They might choose to spend a fortune on that milk...or they could sink it into a boat and mooring fees at the local lake. Which is the better choice? It's a matter of personal priorities.

I have chosen to keep my roos around instead of butchering them and sending them to freezer camp. Again, it's a matter of personal choice. I choose to feed them and keep them around and watch them play (yes, they play here...they have great fun when I take them piles of fresh hay). So, a cost for me in raising birds in a way that fits my personal ethical / religious framework happens to be not taking the life of my roos. It's not just preference. It is something I cannot do within my beliefs. If that means that I end up spending $12 to produce each dozen of quail eggs, well, then that's a personal choice that I make in order to have those eggs (which, unlike chicken eggs, I can eat without having to spend hours on my knees by the porcelain goddess...) I could spend that money going to the movies like my friends. I could spend it flying to Europe. I could spend it on a sportscar like some colleagues, or living in an exclusive neighborhood. Instead, I spend it on my birds...

Personally, I can buy a couple of bags of feed and a few bags of bedding a month for this hobby without it breaking the bank. It's not a major expense & care for the creatures only takes me a couple of hours a week (including pen cleanings). I might even still be able to afford that boat mooring (though it might have to be a canoe...)

Please remember that we may have different reasons for keeping our birds -- or for keeping them around when others would not. However, we all want healthy birds and have in common (hopefully) a liking for these birds.

I wasn't saying that you were not welcome on the quail board. I was trying to say that, I'm not interested in reading countless university papers spanning over 40 years. Mobyquail doesn't exist! I stopped searching for it 3 years ago. I tried. (AT CONSIDERABLE COST OF TIME AND MONEY) I don't understand why people don't focus on the task at hand, rather than focusing on huge giant coturnix quail, they read about in the "Sacred text".

Your production model, and cost per bird is your own business. Don't let me poo-poo it. I have my fair share of $20+ birds. If it fits in your model, and budget....you can keep all the pets you like!

There are stupid ignorant people like myself, seeking a meat,egg,pet, business model that just want a cut and dry model. The Mr. Fluffy Poo-poo, stories are nice, but sometimes it's just a return on investment thing, and $12 is way to much to pay. If that's ok with you...FINE! I have no problem with it.

To be perfectly honest with you! I'm not sure why you even posted here. I'm not saying you shouldn't, just don't understand why.

 

[joe125]

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I'm not going to say there has never been a 1+ pound coturnix, or that there will never be another one. But consider something, think about how long they have been domesticated and how long the breed has been worked on. Maybe for egg production or growth, and in these 50++++++++ years of people trying to improve them they haven't gotten to an average of one pound each. And I seriously doubt they ever will.

But so be it. See how many people are raising them? How many people are complaining? I've not seen any.

Did mine turn out a bit small? Yes, but my hens are laying pros. My current batch of babies are on higher protein then my last two batches, and they are growing well. Even if they don't get any bigger than my current birds what do I care?? The hens will lay the same, roos will probably go to the freezer... But guess what? People eat 24 gram sparrows and 200 gram doves, both of those make a 350-400 gram coturnix look mighty fine in my opinion.

BRAVO! VERY WELL SAID. SURE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AN OCCAISIONAL MUTATNT POPS UP, LIKE A METABOLIC DYSFUNCTION... BUT THEY HAVE BEEN MANIPULATED IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE, FOR AS LONG OR LONGER THAN THE ANTIQUE STUDIES SITED IN THIS STRING, 16OZ COTURNIX ARE THE RARE EXCEPTION= NOT THE NORM. IT STANDS TO REASON THAT NATURE HAS DESIGNED THESE BIRDS AS THEY ARE FOR A REASON, AND ITS MOST LIKELY THAT NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO TO THEM IN AN ORGANIC ENGINEERING PROGRAM THAT THE QUAIL ARE WHAT THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AND WILL ALWAYS BE. SHORT OF UNNATURAL GENETIC MANIPULATION (WHICH THE JAPONESE HAVE DONE IN GREAT DETAIL FOR MANY MANY YEARS= ALL WITH DEPLORABLE RESULTS) THE BREED WILL ALWAYS HAVE A SIZE LIMIT AS DESIGNED BY NATURE/ EVOLUTION/ BUDDHA/ GOD'S WILL, WHAT HAVE YOU???

I agree! People disappoint all the time, but my birds never disappoint me!

They are what they are. Nothing more!

 

[pascopol]

Another Coturnix Dino Rex theme war?

I hope some Hollywood screen writer gets inspired here and make a movie

PFAROAH GODZILLA STRIKES AGAIN

 

[Rozzie]

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To be perfectly honest with you! I'm not sure why you even posted here. I'm not saying you shouldn't, just don't understand why.

It was this part. I just wanted to clarify. It seemed for a minute like you were suggesting that some of us didn't belong here. I'm glad to know that's not the case, though! Sometimes I read people's posts on the literal side.

All is well in Quail world, no offense taken & none meant!

 

[Omniskies]

I am naive, optimistic, and want quail that make Butlers look insignificant.

I am happy to push to achieve this goal. And if my birds only gain an ounce instead of three, so what? If someone else wants to work on it, let them. No one is going to believe that it can't be done. As a society we've been raised on stories of the underdog winning, or that the person who is laughed at the most is the one who succeeds (and gets to be smug).

Do we really _have_ to be this negative when someone wants to raise quail the size of chickens?

I'm in. I demand my 16oz quail and want to find a way to do it. If I have to spend $50 per quail to achieve the goal - who cares? I can at least say it's possible - just not feasible (ok, my bank account will care, but hatching season is over so all of that egg money can go into quail

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[deerman]

Well I got my first coturnix quail in 1964(tellin my age) from Marsh farm. My father thought i got rip off ,no way would quail lay at 6 weeks , well sure did get my first egg at 6 weeks old. Then came all the colors english white , british range , and etc. Then he had the XD the larger bird 12oz.

I got back into them a few years ago....Those AM White 1 lb and jumbo browns(think the old XD) well think those am 1 lb got lost fast, because people started calling the english white am white....be nice to find those back then. These birds produce so fast, breed so young, myself I think a person could build up their size with heavy culling in a few years....maybe even line breeding them.

would need to weight all breeders 350grm not that far from 454 grms

 

[deerman]

I was surpise when I seen people calling these japanese quail, because Marsh Farm told when he import them from Arabia area, even named them Pharaoh Quail...they were known as the common quail....not from japan. The new color started to show up in his flocks. Not sure when he import them, but know first hand he was selling eggs and quail in 1963. I hatch my first ones in Feb, 1964