How does this sound for compensation *small update

[Camelot Farms]

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Many courts will go for future loss. For example a person injured in an accident would/could be entitled to loss of future earnings. I realize this is a far stretch between chickens and people but it was an easy example

 

[Cara]

My issue with it is that you don't want to shoot yourself in the foot. Ask for a reasonable amount and you may well receive it. Ask a lot for what the dog owners probably view as 'just a chicken' and you're likely to drag out the problem for months.

 

[HEChicken]

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I can guarantee that I have roosters worth more than $10 each. Different breed and different quality all matter. You can't compare all birds with the cost of a carcass in a grocery store. That's like saying that all dogs have no value because some some are listed as "free to a good home" in the newspaper.

Yes, of course some roosters have more value than others due to breed etc. I based my statement on the OP's statment:

How do I figure the 9 dead roos. I was going to cull about 1/2 of the origianl total and loved some of the others so much I was just going to set up a bachelor pad for them
would $10 @ be enough that would be $90

which does not make it sound as though these particular roosters had any value other than that she "loved" them. A bachelor pad does not indicate they are to be kept for breeding or any other purpose, but just because she likes them. As pets they have some value, but $10 is probably steep given the availability of surplus roosters everywhere. (Supply/demand).

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Agreed. I free-range my own chickens.

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I disagree. Each pet owner is responsible for confining their own pets. The dog owner is responsible for putting up a fence that keeps their dogs in, while the chicken owner is responsible for putting up a pen to keep his/her chickens safe. I do free-range my own chickens, but before doing so, I ensured that my backyard has secure fencing all the way around - to keep out dogs or cats (and hopefully also other predators) who may roam the neighborhood. If I had chosen to free-range without taking measures to ensure their safety, then I would bear some of the responsibility if something got in and killed them.​

 

[PandoraTaylor]

Sorry Cara,

You are incorrect. the Court settles for loss of wages (including Future wages), therefore a court would see it, that you are out the eggs, regardless of whether you eat them, hatch or sell them.

The same as you would also be able to prove the Value of the Roos, by their Cost + feed+ time+possible future stud service.

we had an incident many years ago, living 1.2 miles from the neighbor who could not keep their St. Bernards penned/chained to their property.

They jumped the fence and destroyed geese, ducks, chickens & turkeys, as there were 5 of them, and only 3 people, you would put them out, they would jump the fence again while you were getting the next dog. this ordeal took place in the wee hours of the morning.......

I sent a bill for the chickens to the owners, it was paid promptly.

the second attack by these 5 incurred more damages and I was bitten. The State Troopers were involved in this incident, it got ugly. 3 of the dogs were shot by the State Troopers. The bill again was promptly paid.

Third attack was only a few birds and roughed up my pigs. The State Troopers were contacted and the Owners were made to put the last 2 animals down, the bill again was promptly paid, and they changed to a smaller breed of dog.

The Fourth attack was 9 dogs (dogteam) that were starving on the chain, due to Owner neglect. My Goat suffered from several bite wounds and was eventually put down after great Vet expense. the dog owner paid for the goat (not the trauma to my children watching the goat suffer) as I had shot 4 of the dogs, and removed the carcasses all he wanted was their Collars didn't even care where I put them!

I spent many years without animals before deciding this summer to try again. Funny thing is I owned Dogs all my life and mine never bothered my livestock, regardless of breed or if contained or not.

 

[horsejody]

I still think that the responsibility lies with the dog owner. The OP's chickens were in her own yard. That's why it's legal to shoot predatory roaming dogs. If dog owners want to let their dogs roam, they can pay for every other animal owner to fence them out. JMO

 

[horsejody]

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If it recovers your costs and teaches the dog owner to control their animals, it's worth dragging it out it a bit. If you read through the predator posts involving dogs, you will see that most people that let their dogs roam will only stop if they are hit hard in the wallet. Otherwise, it's just too easy for them to let the dog out and just hope it doesn't happen again. They are a lot more likely to not let Rover roam if they remember that it cost them a pretty penny the last time. It's the lazy and irresponsible people that let their dogs roam. They will continue with their lazy and irresponsible ways until they are taught a lesson.

 

[WagonBrooder]

Future stud service on the Roos? Really?

 

[mikeksfarmer]

I think you have priced things well for the courts. I think the dog owners may be a little dismayed. I have found it worked to reduce my loss costs, in trade for an agreement that the dogs would be penned or confined properly. If they see your willing to give some, they may roll around and pay the bill. If they reject they will reject completly. I printed two bills for my neighbor. On one I redlined some of the costs marked by an (*). The (*) was listed again at the bottom with a note "removed in agreement that the owner properly confines the dogs in the future". I showed this guy the full bill. I then said, if you will agree to make sure this dog is not loose again I will reduce it this much. I then handed the bill back with some reduction. His dogs have not been loose again. I felt like I was paying a little towards his fenceing.

The squeeky toy was invented because of chickens. Its not the dogs fault. Its clearly the owners fault. If the owner does not buy into control of his dog it will kill more chickens. Accept some negotiations and you keep your self out of the courts, and you keep your neighbors as friends.

 

[horsejody]

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No, future egg value. Lost income is lost income.

 

[sommrluv]

I think some of that might be a little excessing, possibly owing to emotions?


In the court system, there is something called, replacing in kind. I'm unsure of why you are asking for feed for the grown birds....I think getting them to pay to have grown pullets shipped or purchased locally would be more reasonable and explainable than asking for the cost of raising the animals.