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[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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I didn't mean to offend, but I tire of the misinformation and "internet experts" that know everything about commercial livestock production when in fact all they know is what some Animal Rights activists want them to believe.

 

[Dunkopf]

The chickens didn't look in any way uncomfortable. If they were stressed out they wouldn't be laying eggs. So many people seem to think that chickens brains function at the level of say a dog. Sure they recognize you when you come out and enjoy getting scratched. They know you are the food person. Chickens are a lot of fun to watch with the roo showing the girls the good stuff to eat and herding them around and the laying and nesting and all that stuff. Still they are animals and if they were born into a battery cage situation they don't really know any better. Therefore they aren't suffering.

Remember how many eggs they destroyed during that last E-coli outbreak? something like 200 million. Even a large free range operation is going to have a real hard time producing eggs to supply their share of that kind of demand. It's just not practical. Just like organic farming with no pesticide or herbicide use is not practical to feed 7 billion people.

We eat factory eggs when we have to. The fresh farm eggs our chickens lay are at least twice as tasty. I have 2 ladies at work that are bugging me for some eggs right now. We have 5 Cochin hens and 1 Cochin roo. 2 of the hens are broody and the other hens sit on them and lay their eggs on them so they roll down under them. Both of them are sitting on about 25 eggs. So the egg supply has been kind of low lately.

Can anybody answer why our eggs are so much more yellow and the whites so much thicker when fried? I know that the green stuff and the bugs are a lot of the reason. Is it the sun too? There's no denying that the farm eggs are much tastier than the factory eggs.

 

[Dunkopf]

Some chickens in the yards of those that would take care of them would be nice. The poultry business is growing. Just ask Nifty. Our local feed store goes all out on chickens come spring and she has grown the heck out of her business. Used to be able to go in and not wait. Now you got 5 people in front of you wearing suits and buying chickens.

However a large portion of our society and an even larger portion of the rest of the world live in high density housing. Not everyone can have a garden or keep chickens.

 

[sumi]

Jim, there is a world outside the U.S.A. And in that world is a country called South Africa. And in South Africa there is a province called the Western Cape. The Western Cape is where most of our ostrich farms are, towns like Oudtshoorn was built on the industry. 1000's of people in the area rely directly on ostriches for their income. One of the big show farms closed down recently because bird flu was found on their farm. It'll take years for them to start over. Bird flu is getting spread over the area by wild birds and humans. The situation is really bad.
As for broilers, I have recently pointed out chemical burns on a packet of chicken drumsticks to a supermarket manager. Those packets of drumsticks was imported from Argentina. A friend of mine went to a supermarket near Cape Town and bought a bag of chicken feet, supplied by die biggest broiler chicken farm group in S.A. (Rainbow Chickens). Every single one of those chicken feet was infected and burnt.
You are in denial. Face the facts.

 

[Zinnia-Hen]

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That's terrible...I don't understand why certain people would simply throw out a living thing and leave it out to die. It's sickening. So is the whole battery farm idea.

 

[sumi]

Chickengal505, you can rescue male chicks at just about any hatchery, they often give them away for free. Some of the chicks will probably turn out to hens, they sometimes miss a few. Don't you think the EU ban on battery cages is great? Let's hope the rest of the world will follow now.

 

[ParadiseFoundFarm]

I'm still on the fence here.

I hate to throw gasoline on a fire but I jsut have to ask. I've seen the bad stuff in pictures and video. I would hope they were closed down or changed after that exposure. I want to belive Lazy J who is so well spoken and non-boisterous it makes them very belivable.

Sumi , Equinelyn and Lazy J, and perhaps a couple others have mentioned what they have seen with their own eyes but give no specific information. Without that, then it's all just urban myth. Those who have seen it with their own eyes, the good and the bad, please tell us where these good an bad farms are. What are thier trade names or locations ( city & state). They may have a website we can look up. They may be in our area for us to go, at least on the outside the gates, at least and give a sniff. Something! Other than rumors and "he said, she said".
Can anyone do that?
Denise
Paradise Found

 

[sumi]

Denise, if you want me to I would load some photo's as soon as I can, still a newbie. Though I'd prefer not to, it'll bring the tone down on this website, and all I've seen so far was happy, beautiful chickens. I could mail to it you?
I've joined an animal welfare charity (Compassion in World Farming) nearly 2 years ago after reading about their South African representatives blowing the cover on a well-known fast food chain's treatment of their chickens. I've seen the photo's, heard the stories, went digging myself and found that these things do, unfortunately happen. I was so horrified by what I saw that I've stopped eating chicken altogether. And I loved eating chicken, I ate it all the time.
I've been on a battery farm awhile ago where the poo was piled more than a foot high under the cages. I went there to buy some hens, but so disgusted by what I saw and heard that I instead made my findings public in the area where the above-mentioned farmers sells his eggs. Things improved a bit on his farm since. We rented a house to one of his employees who kept me updated. I've made an enemy there, but things are better for his chickens at least. It was worth it.
I've heard of chickens in supermarkets with broken bones and other injuries inflicted while they were still alive. I went to the supermarket and examined the chickens in there and found bruises, chemical burns, drumsticks trimmed neatly... The butchery manager admitted to trimming the burnt bits before packaging it. I spoke to the shop manager, pointed out my findings and expressed my feelings on the matter. They have changed suppliers and when I examined the chicken portions earlier today when I went shopping I couldn't find fault.
For some reason there are people out there and a Jim on this forum who attacks us for what we do, but we are only trying to change things. We are not trying to stop people farming animals and chickens, we just want them to do it properly, treat their animals and chickens with compassion and give the consumer a product that they can use knowing that no animal or chicken had to suffer unnecessarily during it's production. CiWF's changed a lot of things for the better since starting up in the 1970's. We're international with representatives in many countries who work with the governments of those countries.

14. No discussions about animal rights organizations or Cock fighting​

 

[ParadiseFoundFarm]

Dear Sumi:
Thank you for the reply. We are all a community here and I don't belive Jim has anything other than a different opnion and experience. Please don't take it personally, he is as right in his own part as you are in yours. What I wanted to do, with my previous post, is get some "who what where and whens" on this discussion.

I too have stopped eating processed chicken and have not bought eggs from the grocer for a long time. I have seen, as perviously stated, the horrors of these battery houses, but I have only seen it in undated video and pictures. I know "what" they were showing but those did not come with a "who", or "where" or "when". Could it be possible that it has been cleaned up in our country and Canada at least? That is why I am asking more questions.

No, I do not belive that uploading those horrid pictures into the BYC website can do any good. They are inflamatory and greusome. They are not family friendly as our community here strives to be.

I realize that we must produce more food for more population. I would like us to do it humanely. I would like the food supply to be safe. In any battery house, a chicken there, no matter how clean and uncrowded will not have a life of comfort as compared to my or your birds. That does not make all battery house situations bad. I would hope they are just different. I hope the attrocities are over and those are old images. If it is still going on, we as the humane race need to know "who, what, where, and when" so with public outcry it can be corrected. I know it has happened, but is it still?

Public opnion is a very strong weapon. I belive in the work the humane organizations do, but you must admit: They have their own agenda. For that agenda to be continued, they need our money. Using old film and pictures to incite donations is not lieing by them, but a business practice. Did they get the job done? I want to belive they did.

Again I ask:
I don't need more horrible pictures. I have nightmares about these things. I just need to know:
"WHEN" Is it still going on?
if so, "WHERE"?
and by "WHO"?

 

[AKsmama]

Sumi, posting pictures is a really good way to get this thread shut down. Frankly, I am astounded it hasn't been already.