How many chickens would you need to keep to supply all the meat and eggs your family eats?

Like me and some others here you would be stretching credulity if you described yourself as a back yard chicken keeper with 600 acres.:lol:
I'm not trying to discourage people from keeping chickens, or attempt to establish a more sustainable life style.
I suppose in part what has irritated me during the time I've been on BYC is the number of people who talk about putting food on the table for their families while apparently looking down on people who keep chickens for other reasons. All families have someone that puts food on the table. You don't get extra life points if you do this by working as a mechanic, or raising chickens.
Next there is the claim that by raising your chickens in a backyard setting you are making a difference to the commercial concerns. I've read lots of stuff from the enthusiasts on this topic on various fora where numbers are quoted showing changes in the commercial production of chicken. What is missing is any hard evidence about what has brought about these changes. It seems just as likely that a higher level of consumer awareness given the ratio of consumers to backyard chicken keepers is the determining factor.
If a the BYC moto, A Chicken In Every Back Yard was even remotely likely (I can't help noticing that this model rarely gets called delusional :D) became a reality then sure that would have an impact. It's not even remotely likely that this will ever happen. There must be millions of people that don't have back yards that still want to eat chicken.
Inevitably in such debates there comes the point where people will mention that the world needs feeding etc etc. The thing is this view aften assumes that grow/get more is the only solution and don't consider the other option (in this case chicken consumption) eat less.
It's just my view point. It probably isn't worth the heat of the debate but given others expect to have theirs aired I think I'm entitled to do the same.

I just have a really, really large “backyard”, and it’s even mostly fenced in ;)

There is an elitist attitude in most every hobby somewhere, and I do agree that everyone has the right to express their opinions on the matter. And though I don’t think you were necessarily trying to discourage anyone from keeping chickens, the initial post sort of sounded like you were saying raising meat chickens for your family is pointless or impossible for smaller homes. You’re right in that it definitely is for apartment and condo dwellers, and I’d love to see how the average townhouse complex would react to someone putting a coop in their postage stamp sized front yard! :lol: (They usually restrict even what flowers you’re allowed to grow in it!)

Every chicken that had a pleasant non-factory farmed life before it reaches the table is a good thing. If I could abolish those horrific farming practices I would in an instant, but the shift in diets on such a huge scale wouldn’t go over well with society in general. Sustainable and ethical meat farming is my proverbial soapbox, and as a small pasture based farm, a somewhat self serving one.

I think that a heated debate isn’t necessarily a bad thing, so long as everyone remains reasonable and decently polite about it. Changes are happening in the commercial chicken market here, and it’s due to growing awareness and interest in animal welfare. That does go hand in hand with raising your own meat, or buying from sources you know, and researching where your food is coming from. There are better options for even commercially raised chickens here, but they come with a higher price point.

This site is going to attract growing numbers of homesteaders, smallholding dwellers, and people trying to raise their own food on small properties, as this trend continues. Why? Because the first thing that appears with any chicken related google search is BYC! And there’s so much good information and knowledgeable people here. :)
 
Will you make a thread about this project, and how it goes? I'd like to hear how the whole project plays out.
Maybe. By the time the chickens arrive, estimated late spring next year (I think it's optomistic) I'm not expecting to have much free time. If I stay with the project and in Spain (Brexit etc) it's a possibility. The guy who keeps the Fayoumies will be splitting the work hours with the Forestal and the owners when/if the project gets up and running properly.
There is a lot of work to be done on the land. 30 maternity units to build. Quarantine zone to be set up (the chickens will be coming from at least 4 different places now. Over 100 infected pines to fell ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_processionary ) and roots taken out.....there's a lot to do before anything exciting happens.
 
I live near a Tyson supplier. The day I saw a truck filled with the chickens, I stopped eating meat. I haven't touched meat since :sick whenever I think about eating meat I see those nasty looking chickens!

I've worked on Tyson and Bar S plants installing the piping. I still eat Tyson chicken and Bar S hot dogs.:lau:oops:

I also sold 6 chicks 3-4 months old to a neighbor as a package that didn't want Roosters (I wasn't going to give him such a deal if he wanted to pic through). 2were roosters that I was to lazy :th to butcher. Although they would be perfect for this coming Thanksgiving.
 
I've worked on Tyson and Bar S plants installing the piping. I still eat Tyson chicken and Bar S hot dogs.:lau:oops:

I also sold 6 chicks 3-4 months old to a neighbor as a package that didn't want Roosters (I wasn't going to give him such a deal if he wanted to pic through). 2were roosters that I was to lazy :th to butcher. Although they would be perfect for this coming Thanksgiving.
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I appreciate that some people want to keep livestock and rear some proportion of what they eat for a variety of reasons. I do have some serious concerns about the long term effects on the chicken and the conditions they are kept in. Some of the backyard setups I've seen pictures of are not that much better than some of the commercial setups; others of course are much much better. This is of course inevitable.
My feeling is much more progress could be made with intensive farming of meat and eggs in particular if we ate less of it and when we did we only bought pasture raised chicken products. I don't know if the USA has such a category.

Shadrack,

I had similar concerns regarding raising broilers. I modified their diet after a few weeks, without starving them because they do require more food due to their rate of growth...We successfully raised the chickens without having ones that ended up sitting in their own mess. I posted a pick of two of them in the contest for flock pics. They were out and about supplementing their protein intake....A portion can be met by putting them in the garden to eat bugs. Plus it’s fun for them to hunt and peck. Best of luck in your adventure!
 
Excellent breakdown on the numbers. When I was young we raised meat birds. We never had the capacity for us to raise enough meat birds to supply all of our protein needs. We did however raise enough to have a roast chicken about every other week with chicken soup to follow for several days. As you point out, we did not have enough hens and roosters to be self sustaining, rather my father bought chicks every spring and the hens raised them for us.

As my father was unemployed, these chickens were essential to supplementing our food supply for a family of 5. However there was absolutely no way we could have built a sustaining flock to supply all of our protein needs.
Besides how many of us could eat chicken day one-day out every day of the year? Once or twice a week is sufficient to fill my desire for chicken meat.
As a child down on the farm we raised fryers by the dozens to dress out and put in the freezer for the years supply of chicken but we ate beef, pork, goat and mutton with occasional fish.
We had a separate flock for egg production for our needs and to sell weekly to help buy the grocery for the week.
That isn't the purpose of our present backyard flock of 20 +/- hens, pullets
 
I just have a really, really large “backyard”, and it’s even mostly fenced in ;)

There is an elitist attitude in most every hobby somewhere, and I do agree that everyone has the right to express their opinions on the matter. And though I don’t think you were necessarily trying to discourage anyone from keeping chickens, the initial post sort of sounded like you were saying raising meat chickens for your family is pointless or impossible for smaller homes. You’re right in that it definitely is for apartment and condo dwellers, and I’d love to see how the average townhouse complex would react to someone putting a coop in their postage stamp sized front yard! :lol: (They usually restrict even what flowers you’re allowed to grow in it!)

Every chicken that had a pleasant non-factory farmed life before it reaches the table is a good thing. If I could abolish those horrific farming practices I would in an instant, but the shift in diets on such a huge scale wouldn’t go over well with society in general. Sustainable and ethical meat farming is my proverbial soapbox, and as a small pasture based farm, a somewhat self serving one.

I think that a heated debate isn’t necessarily a bad thing, so long as everyone remains reasonable and decently polite about it. Changes are happening in the commercial chicken market here, and it’s due to growing awareness and interest in animal welfare. That does go hand in hand with raising your own meat, or buying from sources you know, and researching where your food is coming from. There are better options for even commercially raised chickens here, but they come with a higher price point.

This site is going to attract growing numbers of homesteaders, smallholding dwellers, and people trying to raise their own food on small properties, as this trend continues. Why? Because the first thing that appears with any chicken related google search is BYC! And there’s so much good information and knowledgeable people here. :)

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Right.:)
There are hundreds of old style farmhouses (stone and ruble built) that are standing empty in this region of Spain. Most have a few acres of land but it's mountain land and difficult to make productive. When earlier generations die the land gets left to subsequent generations, many of who are not interested in living in what are fairly harsh conditions away from civilization.
As cmom mentions in one of her posts, the homesteading life can seem very attractive until the reality is experienced.
A couple here have inherited such a place. To make the necessary repairs and modernizations to make the house habitable is not an economical proposition for them. I will try and get a picture posted at some point.
They do want to make use of the land and live there. The plan with the house is to renovate the bare minimum to make it habitable. In effect they will have a very old looking farmhouse with I think it is 14 potentially 'habitable' spaces, 4 of which will be brought up to a more modern standard.
The land itself is mixed woodland, dense brush and a couple of small fields. The plot is a bit over 20 acres.
They did a considerable amount of market research and believe there is a demand from some up market restaurants for free range chickens and eggs. Like in a lot of countries people here have become more aware of what the various advertised standards such as free range, barn kept, pasture fed, etc actually mean in reality. It seems some people are prepared to pay for chicken meat from what we might call semi feral flocks. Such chicken meat tastes very different from commercially produced chicken meat. With each meal a small pamphlet showing the way the chickens are kept and pictures of said chickens roosting in trees, details of their diet and behaviour, etc will be supplied.
To help set the project up they asked a few of the local chicken keepers here if they would be interested in helping to set the project up. Given they have limited finances they were particularity interested in finding keepers who have experience in a particular field of free range flock keeping who would be prepared to help with the project for a small payment relying on the helpers enthusiasm for chicken keeping and the project. I and four others were the people they asked, each having some expertise in a particular area. I have a lot of mathematical modeling experience from a previous life:D and have some knowledge in the field of flock dynamics and behavior and have kept free range chickens here for a decade.
One of the other helpers keeps semi feral Fayoumie chickens and has incredible knowledge of ancient chicken breeds. Another is an ex forestal (Park Ranger) and keeps a semi feral chicken population. another worked in an animal rescue center in the next National Park North of this one and can fix just about any injury having dealt with birds from the Goshawk to the tiny song birds we have here. The last is a woodland management person who also keeps a semi feral flock.
We've all signed on for six months of effort to make the project work.View attachment 1966300

It will be very interested in learning how this goes. I hope you post on the project.
 

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